Chip Kelly at the Center of Everything

Now for a trip through the camps I’ve visited in the past week:

Monday, July 29: Foxboro, Mass.
The Patriots
A side of Bill Belichick I’ve never seen.

The Patriots had their sixth annual Hall of Fame induction ceremony just outside Gillette Stadium, held a couple of hours before a night training camp practice. I’d never seen one before. It was terrific, Patriots alums there to support inductees Gil Santos, the longtime play-by-play man, and linebacker Tedy Bruschi. Thousands were there to watch and cheer. It’s great what owner Robert Kraft and his family have created at the stadium site, a Hall of Fame and museum that the region can be proud of. This was the kind of night Kraft dreamed about when he bought the team.

It got better when Bill Belichick stepped to the mic, after Santos and Bruschi accepted their red jackets from Kraft. I have heard Bill Belichick say some warm and grateful things about Harry Carson, about Bill Parcells, about Scott Pioli—those are the ones that come to mind; I’m sure there have been others. But I have never heard Belichick praise another person the way he praised Bruschi at the podium on this hot Massachusetts night.

“There’s great players and then there’s great players, and Tedy Bruschi was a great, great football player, because of his passion, his team attitude toward the game. All second to none,’’ Belichick said. “There is no player I’ve ever coached that epitomizes a football player … When I look at the words ‘football player’ in the dictionary, you see Tedy Bruschi’s picture there. That’s the best way I can put it.”

He talked about a tackle Bruschi made against the Raiders in the Tuck Rule playoff game that saved the Patriots’ season, saying without that tackle, there wouldn’t have been a Super Bowl win that year. On and on, great words about Bruschi.

I missed Bruschi after the event, and so I emailed him to find out what he was thinking when Belichick was saying those things about him. Seeing as, you know, Belichick just doesn’t do that.

“What was I thinking?!’’ he wrote back the next day. Next line:

“THAT’S MY COACH!”

A word or two about practice: Aqib Talib intercepted Tom Brady. Twice … I’m skeptical, as is everyone, about the Patriots’ skill position players, but Shane Vereen is going to get a lot of touches from the look of things … Take this for what it’s worth: Tim Tebow made three beautiful downfield throws that I saw, completions thrown 25 yards or more hitting receivers in stride. Tebow was also the personal protector on punts (kudos to you, Mike Westhoff, for getting him started on that last summer) and ran down on punts with energy. I bet the Patriots keep three quarterbacks, knowing they’re able to use Tebow as a utility player. Not necessarily a guy they’d have active every week, but a guy they could use in certain matchup situations against some teams.

Tuesday, July 30: Pittsford, N.Y.
The Bills
Doug Marrone and Nathaniel Hackett take a history lesson.

I wrote about the Bills last Wednesday. A couple of additional thoughts: I like when I go to a training camp and see a team that’s been down for a while have a legitimate reason to be optimistic. And that’s what I felt when I left Bills camp. I don’t know if the Bills will win, but I do know I’d trust coach Doug Marrone and coordinator Nathaniel Hackett to give the offense a chance to be good.

In fact, Hackett told me one of the best things he has done as a coach is study the Jim Kelly Bills offense of a generation ago, the K gun. That offense is a model for any era of football because it continually put pressure on the defense in both the running and the passing game. “I’ve talked to Jim, and he’s been very helpful,’’ said Hackett. “We’ve studied lots of offenses in the last few years, and one of the big keys to what we’ll do, I think, is for teams to not know what we’re doing. That was one of the great things about that Buffalo offense, and I enjoyed studying it and learning from it.’’

So how about that—E.J. Manuel winning the job (I’d say he’s in the lead, especially with Kevin Kolb’s weekend knee tweak) and becoming the quarterback the Bills have been seeking since Kelly left, running lots of the same stuff Kelly ran. Now that’d be a great story.

Wednesday, July 31: Cortland, N.Y.
The Jets
Geno Smith has the look of The Man.

First pass I saw Smith throw in Jets practice on this day: a 25-yard back-shoulder fade down the left sideline, complete. His next one, also back-shoulder, was complete too. Look: I’m a victim of seeing one practice at most of these camps. I try to judge who is ahead at the competitive positions, and who the surprises are. Obviously, that’s tough, given that coaches will have 50 times more information than I would once the real decisions have to be made. But for one day in Cortland, Geno Smith, the rookie, looked better than Mark Sanchez, the fifth-year player with four playoff wins.

No one here is hand-tipping, of course. And it could be that Rex Ryan and John Idzik will do the safe thing and give the start opening day to Sanchez, figuring they can go to Smith in relief if Sanchez continues his erratic, buttfumbly type of play. If it’s close, I don’t think that’s a good idea. If Sanchez throws two straight incompletions in the opener Sept. 8, the crowd will shower him with boos. And is that really the way the Jets want to open the season, with that kind of negativity? I think not.

On the Road

My subject-to-change itinerary:


Today, Ravens

Tuesday, Redskins

Wednesday, Falcons

Thursday, Redskins-Titans preseason game

Friday, Bears-Panthers preseason game

Saturday, Rams

Sunday, Chiefs

Aug. 12, Vikings

Aug. 13, Packers

Aug. 14, Colts

Aug. 15, Bengals

Aug. 16, TBA ... then home for a few writing/do-nothing days

Aug. 24, Eagles-Jaguars third preseason game

Aug. 25, Saints-Texans third preseason game.

Watching the Jets at practice, you can tell a versatile, athletic and fast quarterback is going to be needed in this offense. Read between the lines. The Jets have mandated that writers at practice not write specifics about formations, patterns or schemes, and so (regrettably, because I think it’s a stupid policy that fans are able to tweet what the offense is doing at practice, but writers can’t write about it) I won’t. But Rex Ryan talked to the press about using the Wildcat the other day. He said he thought the team would use more of it this year than last. With the very iffy skill-position roster the Jets have, they’re going to need to use all the changeups they can.

So … if you use the Wildcat, you’d probably use either a versatile back like Bilal Powell or a versatile receiver like Jeremy Kerley behind center, and the quarterback would be either on the sidelines or split wide—if you’re using the traditional setup of the formation. With David Lee as quarterbacks coach now (he was the guy spurring the Wildcat’s use in Miami on Tony Sparano’s staff five years ago), it’s a no-brainer that the Jets would use it more than they did a year ago. When, by the way, they should have used it much, much more. Smith obviously is more athletic than Sanchez, and that’s one good reason why, if the battle is close, the Jets would be smart to use Smith early.

Last year’s five-game losing streak at West Virginia turned out to be good for Smith. He got used to what faces him here. “People say when I started with 24 touchdowns and no interceptions last year that it was my best football,’’ Smith said after practice. “I disagree. After that, I was something like 20 touchdowns and six interceptions, and I think it showed I could take the adversity. It helped me grow as a leader. I could have said, ‘I’m not playing bad. We’re averaging about 40 points a game.’ But we didn’t fracture. I didn’t get down on my guys. We were a team. That’s the test of a leader. It spoke volumes of what was happening when the world was on all our shoulders. That can only help me in the NFL.”

Maybe sooner than we thought.

Jets will do whatever it takes to get a spark on offense

Thursday, Aug. 1: Berea, Ohio
The Browns
Well, at least the office is nice.

The Browns spent $5 million to re-do the second floor of their training facility—and their organizational personality. I’ve toured Twitter headquarters in San Francisco, and this floor reminds me of the Twitterverse: The Browns’ coaching, front-office, ownership and PR and broadcasting departments are all up here, wide open so that people see other people working. No one hides, and presumably no one loafs. Cameraderie is encouraged. Here, when a big group or luxury suite sale is completed, a bell is rung, and the sales team all claps. One day offensive coordinator Norv Turner ducked into the hall and clapped too.

It’s young, it’s bright, it’s energetic. Even owner Jimmy Haslam has an office in which anyone on the floor can walk by and see him through a floor-to-ceiling window wall. The Browns spent $65,000 soundproofing a state-of-the-art broadcast studio where a team-produced two-hour sports show is on the ESPN radio affiliate each afternoon. “It’s the energy of feeling like something’s happening, every day,’’ president Joe Banner said.

Everywhere, inspirational sayings from Roald Dahl to Mother Teresa dot the walls. Such as:

browns-poster-inlineI’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it.
—Thomas Jefferson

Or, on a mural featuring star cornerback Joe Haden:

Whatever you are, be a good one.
—Abraham Lincoln

“Twitter attracts the youngest and brightest people, which is what we want to do,’’ said Banner. “But I don’t want to copy Twitter or Google. I just want to create an atmosphere where good people want to work, and good people want to stay and help build a winner. In my opinion, improving physical space is a great opportunity to help change the culture.’’

Is it close? Can the Browns finally turn the corner with a new coach, new GM, new president and new owner—and these shiny offices? My experience covering football tells me you’re close when you’ve got a quarterback. And the Browns don’t know if they’ve got one yet. Out on the field for the afternoon practice, former Yankees pitching prospect Brandon Weeden wound up and threw a BB straight into the picket-fence arms of two defenders, getting it batted down. The man who led the NFL in batted passes had better not do it again, or his Cleveland career won’t be much longer than Brady Quinn’s.

“We know at the end of the season we’ll still have work to do,’’ said Banner. “What positions those are, we don’t know yet.’’ I think they probably know about the most important position—and they’re hoping against hope Weeden proves them wrong.

Brandon Weeden knows he needs to win over Browns’ new regime

Thursday night, Aug. 1: Canton, Ohio
The Hall of Fame community dinner.

The locals are mingling with the Hall of Famers, and it’s a great night to show off the new and improved Hall. In the back of the tented dinner area sit a couple of reminiscing HoFers, tight end Jackie Smith and guard Dan Dierdorf.

Dierdorf grew up here. He’s 64 now, walking with a cane from the years of football pounding his knees took. But he’s so immensely proud of the place, built a few short blocks from the house he grew up in.

“I remember riding my bike over here to check on the construction, and being so excited that such a great building was being built here, in our hometown. The day the construction started, my father and I watched them put the spade in the ground. You know who else was here that day? Another dad and his young son: Larry Csonka. He’s from near here.’’

The Hall turns 50 this year. I always find it sad that people love it for one week a year, and then for the rest of the year it’s rarely mobbed. Now that improvements have been made and it’s a more attractive, modern place, it’d be nice to see Dierdorf’s neighborhood get a few more traffic jams during the other 51 weeks.

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sjq294
sjq294

Viewing this as a single page just reinforces the fact that your MMQB is way too long. Also, this MMQB site is terrible to navigate. Might have to go back to ESPN despite being forced to use Facebook to make comments

ccurtis79
ccurtis79

Peter: ThankYou for the PRINT button!  ThankYou for the single page view.  The rest of the site is nice, but long time readers, we're simple, this is all we really wanted...!

Richard Long
Richard Long

Kelly was fun to watch in Oregon.  I suspect his teams will be fun and very good in the NFL.  He just needs the right QB and skill people.  Having to draft them is much harder than going out and recruiting them.  But I suspect he will adjust. 

zkinter36
zkinter36

Should be interesting to watch how this team performs.

ridelacruz
ridelacruz

Peter: The most time I spend thinking about the Riley Cooper situation the more I realize there's a double standard in that  situation, I've never heard of anyone making a big deal out of calling someone a redneck, white-trash, hillbilly or cracker.

Now, I understand that the African American population in the US suffered a lot of discrimination trough the years, but then: Why do they discriminate themselves now? What do I mean? There's an African American authors section in every B&N bookstore. Don't you see the basic racism behind it? And let's point out that most African American's think that the use of the n word is reserved for them to be able to insult other African Americans.

I agree that Riley Cooper did a wrong thing and he must bear the consequences of his acts, but when do we start making a big deal out of African American racism towards other races or towards themselves?

JimCody
JimCody

I love how these holier-than-thou journalists pretend like they've never used a racial slur, at least in jest. I guess everyone has to compete to show they're the most outraged at this "horrible" crime of saying a bad word once. Are you sure you haven't quite blown this out of proportion enough? There's still time to milk fake outrage before the next big story breaks.

Zenschach
Zenschach

Peter -- Thanks for adding the option to view the article as one long single page.

Shooter McGavin 19711
Shooter McGavin 19711

What Cooper did was reprehensible.  That said, I find it sad that his locker room (and his city) can't accept his apology.  I mean, Ray Lewis WAS involved in a double homicide (he hid in the trunk of a car, ditched his white suit, paid off the families of the victims - all things INNOCENT people don't do) and his locker room welcomed him back.  As did his city.  So I guess in the NFL, you can't utter something racist - but you can be involved in a double murder.  So yeah, good to see the players and fans have their priorities straight...

John021386
John021386

Riley Cooper made a horrible mistake. He has apologized for it, paid a fine, and is undergoing sensitivity training to prevent its recurrence. He was man enough to not claim alcohol as excusing the behavior. Let's have a little forgiveness. For the mayor of Philadelphia to say that is not enough punishment is reprehensible -- let's not get in to a "lynch mob" mentality.  


John021386
John021386

I have a solution to the Johnny Manziel mess. Set up a trust fund for every college athlete. They can make money with endorsements and selling autographs, but the money goes into the trust fund. The trust fund is untouchable until all the scholarships the athlete received are reimbursed. After that, the money is free and clear to the athlete. The repaid scholarship goes to fund future scholarships. If the athlete is not popular enough to make more money than the scholarships (in a less popular sport, perhaps), they still have been "paid" by their scholarship because they don't reimburse for it.

toldlikeitis
toldlikeitis

I found this article Peter wrote 20 years ago: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1004184/

Bascially it bashes white players and even captures this happening on the playing field. Peter King wrote the article, good journalists would compare this situation to the Cooper situation and ask about the double standard that exists. I won't get into how that article is full of BS regarding white players at skill positions. Plenty of white kids every year are not recruited or very lightly recruited at the skill positions - not because of their lack of athleticism but based strictly on skin color.

mja10178
mja10178

with maclin out and a shaky Qb and defense the eagles just need to run the ball and try to control the clock.


mja10178
mja10178

it's just nice to see a fresh new approach to football as opposed to andy reid throwing the ball 50 times a game when  the eagles strength is at RB and the O line's strength is run blocking.

Geomack62
Geomack62

Being neither a fan nor a hater of the Eagles this is going to either revolutionize the game or be an epic failure. It will be interesting to watch. I'm actually excited to see which way it falls! 

gary7
gary7

Just herd a replay of the Dan Patrick Show, Hey Pete signing autographs for money is Not Against The Law, smoking pot is (in some States), what's next you going to compare a psycho killing a family of 5 with jay-walking, keep your uniform analogies for you bad beer drinking and over price tar coffee drinking, leave the analogies for Dead-Spin

BrownieDog
BrownieDog

Thanks Peter for reporting further about, and sharing your thoughts on, the Riley Cooper matter.

I applaud any protocol for remediation, accountability, punishment/correction, or pathway to redemption that involves Tony Dungy. This transgression touches on foundational matters of character, personal identity, maturity level, and a hotly-charged context. Tony brings the credibility, wisdom, and gravitas required for such issues. This man has truly earned an honored position of undisputed integrity, rock-solid respect, and sound judgement that seems sorely needed.

PhillyEagles852
PhillyEagles852

I like what I'm hearing keep working hard! Eagles fly high!

Dana2
Dana2

"Peter King is as popular as some of the players!!"

What a crock.   It's really gone to your head, hasn't it, you fat skunk.

AndrewJHamm
AndrewJHamm

Peter, Richmond is a haven for beer lovers. If you're looking for a place to have dinner in Richmond after Redskins camp tomorrow, I have three recommendations:

1) Legend Brewery on the southside. It's unseasonably cool(ish) for August this week, and a seat on the deck at Legend affords the city's best view of the downtown skyline across the James River, not to mention a gorgeous selection of locally-brewed craft beers. Ask for a server named Ray; he's a friend of mine.

2) Capital Ale House downtown. One of the best places in America to buy a beer, with a great menu to boot. Again, a nice deck out back, though not with a view.

3) Mekong in the West End. It's in a character-less suburban strip mall, but the excellent Asian cuisine is matched or exceeded by the ownership's passion for beer. Not the most taps in RVA, but the most interesting.

I'd love to buy you a brew and talk Joe Jackson if you have time, brother. Thanks for the great work. Enjoy RVA, my hometown and favorite city.

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

The life of the guy at the gas station stinks, indeed. His wife only talks to him that way (and reverse the sexes and it's the exact same thing), because he allows her to. Refuse to stand for disrespect. From anyone at anytime.

Brian F
Brian F

Regarding Riley Cooper – how do you not give him a 2nd chance, when the same organization gave Michael Vick a second chance. Putting in perspective what each of them did, it would be the height of hypocrisy to banish Cooper for what was, in comparison, a minor offense. Regarding the new site – not a fan at all. It looks more like Bleacher Report. Lose the big pictures and give me information – concisely. Otherwise, you might as well change the name to Monday Morning Bloviating. You used to be the first thing I went to read. Now, I get a couple of pages in and abandon it.  Today I made it as far as four pages. Not good. Not good at all.

JOBOOZOSO
JOBOOZOSO

cool photos


keep it up


Joe B

www.FantasyLeagueGM.com

BY
BY

Why would anyone give a sh*t about what serial brown noser Dick Vitale has to say?

bryandfuller
bryandfuller

Peter,

  My apologizes about the Hobbit, apparently, Peter Jackson uses the same recipe to make more money.

bryandfuller
bryandfuller

Peter,

  I use to read your MMQB every week religiously, but it has become so long winded and bloated it's like they crammed an extra two films into the Hobbit.  I get it if they are paying you more money, but it has become unreadable...seriously, coffeenerdness, beernerdness...yadda yadda yadda...

  Just remember, everyone loves a scope of ice cream...people like a pint.  No one can eat a gallon.

BillieBob
BillieBob

A lot of false equivalency floating around on this thread. 

Blacks using the "n" word with one another is NOT the same as whites using it. That word represents so much hideous abuse over the years -- slavery, lynchings, torture, Jim Crow, humiliation, discrimination, etc. some of which still goes on. 

It seems to me that blacks often use it as a way of "owning" it -- making it something they have control of instead of the white race that has historically treated them violently at worst and like inferiors at best. It's a way to take charge of the word and help take the sting out of it. When they use it with one another, it changes the meaning for them, in my opinion. Some day, that process of detoxification may reach a conclusion, but until then, it's their way of dealing with a pain that we can't understand no matter how much we say we do.

I think the right thing to do is to respect their process. There may come a time when racism is so far in the past that using the word will be a harmless artifact. But we're not close to that time yet. Racism is still alive and well and the consequences are still too upsetting for victims of it. 

It isn't for whites to say when using the "n" word is okay or not okay. We lost that privelage a long time ago when we made the word into a nightmare that blacks are still trying to wake up from.

The fact that some white guys don't think it's "fair" that blacks "get to use it and whites don't", is one of the whiniest, most ridiculous things I have heard. There is no white equivalent of the "n" word in this country, so everything is NOT equal. Stop acting like a victim.

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

@ridelacruz Maybe when the impact is the same.  When a black man calls a white man a "cracker," who cares?  When a white man says, "n.igger," it's a big deal.  When hateful speech from both sides carries the same weight, then it will be a big deal.

Ciscos
Ciscos

@Shooter McGavin 19711 ~ I just had to acknowledge your choice of call signs - "Shooter McGavin"... just re-watched "Happy Gilmore" this past weekend.  "The price is wrong Bob..." lol. Classic.

Ciscos
Ciscos

@John021386 ~ the last thing this needs is to be politicized by a politician.  Philly's Mayor should have more important and better things to focus on.

CGGymDog
CGGymDog

@gary7 I'm pretty sure King meant that it was against NCAA law, not federal or state law. It would be a reach to think that he thinks Manziel broke anything other than NCAA rules.

Sharkbite16
Sharkbite16

@AndrewJHamm I would have to add in May the Boonville Beer Festival is a must see in Boonville, CA.

ProfessorGriff
ProfessorGriff

@Rickapolis

Sounds like the guy just needs his b@lls chopped of and placed in his wife's purse.  What kind of real man has to ask his wife to take a leak when out on the road.  What is this world coming to? Haven't we de-masculinized our society enough already?

ProfessorGriff
ProfessorGriff

@Brian F 

Sounds like the guy just needs his b@lls chopped of and placed in his wife's purse.  What kind of real man has to ask his wife to take a leak when out on the road.  What is this world coming to? Haven't we de-masculinized our society enough already?

CMFJ
CMFJ

@bryandfuller

You say that MMQB has become "long winded and bloated", then cite the coffe/beer sections.  First, those are usually one paragraph total of 4-7 pages and have always been 2 of the last 3 of 4 items, ie easy to skip.  Second, and more importantly, you need to learn how to structure an argument.  Your examples are supposed to convince someone that MMQB is "long winded and bloated".  Using the coffee/beer sections, which are brief, is not really supportive of your claim.  You clearly mean the verbiage padding the rest of the column, yet you use examples that are NOT that.  

"I get it if they are paying you more money..."  Seriously, the MMQB column is about the same on TheMMQB as it was on SI.com.  Again, your poorly chosen examples, which have been part of the column for years, are not new and, therefore, not associated with a speculative increase in King's salary.  

Just remember, most people can easily read columns written in simple english without complaining.

Ciscos
Ciscos

@bryandfuller ~ scope or scoop? LOL... no worries. We all make typos.  I just thought I'd dig you on it because the idea of scope flavored ice cream was pretty foul. lol

godfather361
godfather361

@BillieBob Redskins isn't? Let's not be totally ignorant and say that black people were the only mistreated people in this countries history.  Any race or ethnicity has derogatory terms thrown at them, but you don't see the Washington N$#%as do you?

Mike26
Mike26

@BillieBob "The fact that some white guys don't think it's "fair" that blacks "get to use it and whites don't", is one of the whiniest, most ridiculous things I have heard. There is no white equivalent of the "n" word in this country, so everything is NOT equal. Stop acting like a victim."

Nope, that's a copout that you're basically telling white people that they "owe" all black people something, which is patently untrue.  If you don't believe me, ask any educated, intelligent, professional black person and see if they agree.

Phroggo
Phroggo

@BillieBob 

I like your comment, BillieBob.  It is very well said and even swayed me from leaning the other direction.  But I still think the reaction to this incident is overblown.

ridelacruz
ridelacruz

@evil.aaronm I respectfully disagree, hate is hate, no matter who hates who. 

 Now, when you say the "same weight", do you mean that the white people hates for African Americans is heavier than the other way around?  I found that hard to believe. I actually think that the hate from African Americans is bigger, hence the problem with the n word. That being said, I still believe that the best way to deal with this kind of things is to forgive and move on.

There's no way no deny the injustices that this country made African Americans bear, but dwelling in the past will not make it better and makes a society "stay still" and in vengeance mode, please tell me, how is that helping?

BillieBob
BillieBob

@godfather361 @BillieBob

"Redskins isn't?"

I think "redskins" is a derogatory term, but I don't think my opinion or your opinion or even team ownership's opinion on that is all that important. The only opinions that matter on that are those of Native Americans. If a sizable percentage of them think it is demeaning, then Washington should get rid of it. If Native Americans not insulted, that's up to them, not you or me. 

"Let's not be totally ignorant and say that black people were the only mistreated people in this countries history."

Who said black people were the only mistreated people in history? Not me. But let's not be totally ignorant and say that the amount and type of mistreatment they have received somehow doesn't matter and that it shouldn't affect the way we see things. Do you understand the difference? 

"Any race or ethnicity has derogatory terms thrown at them, but you don't see the Washington N$#%as do you?"

I suppose there's a point in there somewhere, but I don't know what it is.

Listen, if you can't understand what I've said, then you can't understand what I've said. I think it was pretty clear to most people. Maybe you should think about it a little harder.

thelaw401
thelaw401

@Mike26@BillieBobIf you don't believe me, ask any educated, intelligent, professional black person and see if they agree.>>> Stupid thing you could have ever said. This is why the black/white relationship will always stay at a division.

BillieBob
BillieBob

@Mike26 @BillieBob 

I think white people owe black people what any decent person owes any other person.

We owe them an acknowledgment that their history in America is dramatically different than our history. We owe them understanding that because of their unique history, they can experience life in this country differently than we do. Words can have different meanings to them than they do to us. You doubt that? Show a noose to your white neighbor with no explanation, then show it to a black person with no explanation. See if they "interpret" it differently. Now tell me you don't owe it to the black person to be respectful of the difference. If you're decent, you do. If you're a jerk, you act like it's their fault for being more offended than the white guy. It's the same with the "n" word.

We owe it to blacks to get rid of the many ways racism still affects blacks in this country. You don't think it does? Fact: blacks are far more likely to receive jail time for the same offense as whites. Fact: blacks are far more likely to be stopped by police -- often for no reason except that they're black. Fact: blacks receive a poorer quality of health care as a race than whites and have a shorter life expectancy as a result. Fact: interracial marriage is still seen as a threat by many whites in this country. Fact: blacks still face employment and housing discrimination in many parts of the country and they often receive less money for the same work than whites as a group.

A decent person would acknowledge that these realities are unjust and that all of society (even white people) owes the victims of the injustice an honest attempt to correct them.

So your statement that white people "don't owe black people something" is patently untrue, if you see yourself as a decent person. Saying you have no responsibility is a copout, in my opinion.

BTW, my future son-in-law is a black professional with a law degree. Two of my nieces are black professionals --one  a CPA and one a psycologist. One of my best friends is a black doctor, another is a black researcher with a law degree. They all agree with me.





Phroggo
Phroggo

@Mike26

Wrong, Mikie.  Until someone proves they don't deserve it, we all owe each other a modicum of respect, and the "N" word is commonly seen as a lack of respect. 

LHanner
LHanner

@ridelacruz @evil.aaronm I wonder how many times Riley Cooper has been called cracker, and white boy, let alone by his own teammates. I'd bet my life it wayyyyy outnumbers that one time he used the word. Kudos to him for being smart and not bringing that up. The double standard makes me sick!!! That being said racism in any form is intolerable, and I can't see how Philly keeps him on the roster. 

BillieBob
BillieBob

@evil.aaronm @godfather361 @BillieBob 

I just think the history of that word is pretty shameful -- a way to dehumanize Native people so that if would be easier to ethnic-cleanse the land for Europeans. If you reduce a race to their "skin color" then you don't have to look at their humanity. Personally, if I was the owner of the team, I'd change it in a heart beat, because it's clear ENOUGH Native people are deeply offended by it and understandably so.

The fact that not every Native American cares doesn't change that for me, but as I said, it's not for me to say how anyone should feel. But for team owners to act like this doesn't matter just because the majority of people don't care, is either ignorant, callous, or simply greedy. My guess is that it won't change until a more socially responsible owner buys the team...

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

@godfather361 @BillieBob Part of the problem is, there's no real consensus on how hurtful the name "Redskins" is, even among Natives.  My full-blooded Native wife, for example, has no problem with it.  My half-Native son thinks it's a non-issue.  A full-blooded Native lacrosse buddy thinks it's shameful.  And, to increase the weirdness, another full-blooded Native buddy of mine is a freakin' Cowboys fan.  WTF?  How do you take a stand, one way or another, when even Natives can't agree on it?

godfather361
godfather361

@BillieBob @godfather361 It is up to me because I'm Native American.  I may not live on a reservation as my grandmother did, but that still shouldn't matter.  Also, it's very ignorant of you to assume I'm a certain race or ethnicity based upon my picture.  It's extremely demeaning of the Redskins to use that term and worse off, they make billions of dollars off of it.  

k330k
k330k

I'm a black professional and I agree as well. I think you get it or atleast understand. I'm interested in knowing how you came by such understanding.

Mike26
Mike26

@BillieBob @Mike26 We'll have to agree to disagree.  I really can't wait for this Cooper stuff to end one way or the other and people can get back to doing just football talk.

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