Andy Reid is Loving Football Again

Ten Things I Think I Think

Beware the Cardinals? You might not notice it in the stacked NFC West, but things are looking up in the desert. (Mike Roemer/AP)
Beware the Cardinals? You might not notice it in the stacked NFC West, but things are looking up in the desert. (Mike Roemer/AP)

1. I think this was the thing that piqued my interest from a couple of weekend conversations with Gil Brandt at the Rams and Chiefs: I asked him what teams surprised him the most, in a good way, on his camp tour across America for Sirius XM NFL Radio. “Arizona,” he said. I’m hearing that out here on the trail. It’s got extra currency when Brandt says it.

2. I think, having visited Carolina Friday night, there’s no question the organization feels its two leaders, and the two best players on the team for the long-term future, are Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly. Who, by the way, are the last two top picks of former general manager Marty Hurney. Hurney was dumped by owner Jerry Richardson mid-season last year, and nowhere was his name mentioned that I heard on my visit. Newton was a gamble for some entering the draft, with his wayward college career. All he’s done in his first two seasons is throw for 7,920 yards—though he has not won enough. All Kuechly did as a rookie is average 10.2 tackles a game, most in the league. Just thought everyone should remember a guy widely panned when he got the gate left the franchise with its two most important players. And Newton’s 24, Kuechly 22.

3. I think the significant thing to remember about Havard Rugland in his battle with David Akers for the Lions’ kicking job is this: Rugland can kick off. Akers wouldn’t. Rugland’s three kickoffs Friday night against the Jets fell at the 1-yard line, two yards deep and five yards deep. It’s still probably Akers’ job. What makes the most sense to me, barring Rugland making three more 50-plus-yard field goals in the next three games, is Akers winning the job and Rugland landing on the practice squad.

4. I think for those of you in the preseason-mining mode, I’ve got a few bits from a fellow accompanying me on the tour this summer, Neil Hornsby of ProFootballFocus.com. You may know the site for its exhaustive work breaking down every player on every play of every game. Now, PFF is breaking down the preseason games. (Go here for a season or monthly subscription.) I asked Neil to cull a few items from the games over the weekend.

a. Although the Arizona first-unit offensive line—horrendous last year—played three short series in Green Bay, the news was positive. Carson Palmer was pressured once and not sacked in the three series.

b. There’s a camp battle in Atlanta worth watching: Who will start at corner opposite Asante Samuel? Our fourth-highest-rated corner this week was the Falcons’ second-round choice, Robert Alford (+2.8). Our third-lowest-rated? The Falcons’ first-rounder, Desmond Trufant (-2.7).

c. In 53 snaps in his pro debut at Carolina, Chicago rookie guard Kyle Long gave up zero sacks and one hurry with no penalties.

d. Green Bay needs to get injured corners Tramon Williams and Casey Hayward back quickly. Devon House started and in just 10 snaps in coverage allowed three of four passes targeted at him to be completed for 92 yards and a touchdown. That’s a QB rating of 156.3.

e. Jedd Fisch Alert: No team had their quarterbacks get rid of the ball as quickly as Jacksonville. The average time to throw for Blaine Gabbert was 2.1 seconds, while Chad Henne’s was 2.2. These were the lowest two of any quarterbacks to take at least 10 dropbacks.

f. We might have gotten a clue of what to expect from Chip Kelly’s Philadelphia offense. Of the Eagles’ 30 designed runs (all runs excluding quarterback scrambles), 27 were from shotgun.

g. With Michael Crabtree out, San Francisco’s first-round pick from 2012, A.J. Jenkins, needs to step up. Jenkins did not do much to help his cause, despite playing 56% of snaps for the 49ers. He ran 26 routes, caught only one ball on three targets and, after picking up a first down on that pass, fumbled.

h. Keep an eye on Baltimore’s new pick-up, Daryl Smith. In just 20 snaps he managed a hit, a hurry, three tackles and an assist.

i. With Tim Tebow in the game at Philadelphia, New England ran the option seven times and averaged 5.4 yards on these runs.

j. No offensive line struggled more over the weekend than the New York Jets, and no lineman epitomized that more than rookie left tackle Oday Aboushi. He gave up a sack, a hurry, three penalties and struggled with his run blocking.

k. San Diego quarterback Charlie Whitehurst was 0 for 10 when pressured by Seattle.

5. I think it won’t show up high on anyone’s radar for big injury losses, but Kelvin Hayden being lost for the year with a torn hamstring is significant because teams play so much nickel now, and slot corners like Hayden are hard to find. “Especially at this point, when every team has 90 guys in camp,” said Bears GM Phil Emery. Hurts that the Bears didn’t re-sign D.J. Moore, who took his game to Carolina. The Bears need second-year corner Isaiah Frey to emerge from a green field of slot candidates.

6. I think the Ravens are grasping, obviously, in signing Dallas Clark, 34, and Brandon Stokley, 37, over the weekend. But this is a time of desperation, with the trade of Anquan Boldin, the injury to Dennis Pitta and with Ed Dickson out for a while also. Both are short-term scotch-tape moves. The most encouraging thing, I’d say, is how Stokley was able to stay healthy all year at 36 in Denver after a string of seasons marred by injury. “I think all of our younger receivers have ability,” Joe Flacco told me the other day, “but we’re going to have to get them in game-time situations, and they’re going to have to build that confidence and say, ‘I do belong here.’ Now we’re going to have to rely on our three-wides package a little more in those situations.” It would really help Flacco if Clark could give the Ravens at least half a season of hold-the-fort football at a suddenly needy position.

The post-Pitta problem | Ravens should double down on the ground

7. I think, by the way, Pitta is not assuredly out for the season. Asked a Ravens coach the other day what percentage there was that Pitta—thought to be out for the year after surgery two weeks ago to repair a dislocated hip—would play this year. “Don’t know the percentage,” the coach said, “but it is not zero.”

8. I think if I were Rex Ryan, and my job might depend on competent quarterback play, I’d sure as heck be watching Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith live. Every snap.

9. I think I can’t quite figure it out, but I am hugely sad for Plaxico Burress, whose season and probably his career ended with a torn rotator cuff suffered in practice last week.

On the Road

The RV portion of the tour ends this week. Here's the rundown:


Monday—Mankato (Vikings)


Tuesday—Green Bay (Packers)


Wednesday—Anderson, Ind. (Colts)


Thursday—Cincinnati (Bengals)


Friday—TBA, then home for a few days before setting out for a couple of Week 3 preseason games.

10. I think these are my non-football thoughts of the week:

a. Amazon’s honcho buys the Washington Post. Talked to a wealthy Washingtonian the other day, after the sale, who predicted there wouldn’t be a print edition of the Post within two years. I find that shocking, but nothing about the media should shock anyone today.

b. The Angels bought Albert Pujols for $254 million. Jeffrey Bezos bought the Washington Post for $250 million.

c. That says something dire about our society; I’m just not sure how dire.

d. Bernie Kosar, doing color on the Browns preseason game against St. Louis Thursday, had some harsh things to say about the Rams. He called the Rams receivers, including the eighth pick in the 2013 draft, Tavon Austin, “horrible,” said their parents “would be embarrassed” if they were watching the game, and, about backup quarterback Kellen Clemens, said, “Bless me Father for I have sinned. I have to watch him the whole fourth quarter.”

Kosar’s a good guy, and I have always liked him. But I found the comments pretty far over the top and asked rhetorically, on Twitter, whether Kosar had been drinking. Which brought on a raft of criticism from the Twitterverse, saying I’d gone over the top. I don’t think I was over the top, but many of you felt I’d gone too far given the sea of trouble Kosar has had in his personal life. (None of which, from what I can tell, involve treatment for alcohol, or any admission of alcoholism.) My point was, I think there’s a way to be critical of players and teams, and analysts should definitely do that. But Kosar went too far, in my opinion. And not just mine. Kosar called Rams coach Jeff Fisher Sunday to apologize, and Browns CEO Joe Banner said Sunday the Browns “don’t condone the personal and unprofessional approach” Kosar used.

e. Just when you think Miguel Cabrera can’t get any better, he homers in the ninth inning off Mariano Rivera twice in one road series. We’re seeing the prime of one of the great hitters any of us will ever see.

f. John Madden used to say it all the time, and I am merely copycatting him by saying what a beautiful country this is, and I’m lucky over the past two weeks to be driving through it instead of flying over it. Particularly beautiful: the hills and small mountains around Asheville, N.C., with trees so green and countryside so lush.

g. Coffeenerdness: The other day, the Starbucks on Kingston Pike in Knoxville got a gold star from me. I went in there to work with my tour pal Neil Hornsby, struck up a conversation with the two baristas about the area, and went to work. The fellow later brought us over small cups of coffee to try from their Clover brewing process and, when I left, the other barista called us both by name. Not sure, but I don’t think that’d happen at the Starbucks on the corner of 55th and Lex.

h. Beernerdness: One of the great nights on this tour was made possible, in part, by Porter Hardy IV, the president of Smartmouth Brewing Company in Norfolk. On Tuesday in Richmond, after viewing a Redskins practice, Hardy was waiting for me with a growler of beer from his brewery. It was his Alter Ego Saison. Porter, good news: The growler didn’t last until Atlanta. (And no, our drivers/reporters, Andy DeGory and Dan Greene, didn’t dabble on our night drive to the Falcons.) But the Saison was delicious. Thanks, Porter. And sorry about RGIII not signing for little Sarah.

i. Congratulations, Michael Gehlken of UT-San Diego, for writing this memorable piece about the incredible journey to the NFL of Chargers rookie tackle D.J. Fluker.

j. So Larry David told Rich Eisen on Eisen’s podcast that he could be an NFL play-caller. “If they gave me a chance, I could turn the fortunes of an NFL team around,” David said. Only if Jeff Garlin could play right guard.

k.  So I’m on the road Wednesday, and my daughter Laura, who lives in San Francisco, texted to say she was going to San Jose with a couple of San Francisco cops. Seems they’d got a lead on her stolen bike. “Nervous,” she texted. “It’s a sting.” A WHAT! Seems she got wind that some guy on Craigslist was trying to sell her bike and lots of other ones.

It’s a cool story, and so I asked her to tell it.

I wasn’t scared until I found myself holding a bike I never thought I’d see again, standing along side a still-running maroon Ford Escort while two undercover cops chased the guy who tried to sell it back to me. It was probably only two or three minutes, but it felt like a good half an hour before Officer Brett Bodisco and Officer Matt Friedman emerged from around the corner of the Chase Bank parking lot in East San Jose. “Is it your bike?” Officer Bodisco called out. We flipped it over and checked the serial number to be sure. It was. Four thousand bicycles were stolen in San Francisco last year, and only 142 were returned to their owners. Aside from cell phone theft, it’s the most common crime in the city. But, like any major metropolis, San Francisco faces many more serious issues. So when I woke up to find my bike missing from my locked entry way, I certainly wasn’t optimistic about recovering it. I dutifully filed a police report, and scoured Craigslist in case it turned up. I also listed my stolen bike on our city’s registry, and followed two Twitter handles—the first, @stolenbikesfo, belonging to Bryan Hance, and the second @SFPDbiketheft, owned by Park Precinct Officer Matt Friedman. When a gray and aqua Specialized Dolce turned up on Craigslist in East San Jose after a week, I was ecstatic. Officer Friedman volunteered to help. Within 4 hours of arranging a meeting, I was riding in the back of an undercover cop car down to East San Jose to meet “Dennis,” whose number, at the time, was linked to 12 different bike listings on Craigslist. Officer Friedman and his partner, Officer Brett Bodisco, told me most bike thieves in San Francisco are looking to score some quick cash.

They’ll sell an $800 bike for, say $50. The person who pays $50 will then take the bike to a flea market (common locations in the Bay Area are the Oakland Coliseum and Capitol Expressway in San Jose) and sell it for about half its value. Then, someone like “Dennis” tries to make the full value back by listing it on Craigslist. Amazing what you learn in the back of a cop car for three hours … and even more amazing to meet two policemen who care so much about their community. Thank you, officers Friedman and Bodisco. I am so grateful.

Once on the freeway, Officer Bodisco turned back to me. “Sure beats an episode of Cops, doesn’t it?” That it does.

The Adieu Haiku

Randy Moss? TV?
I’m in the Doubters Club, but …
I can’t wait to watch.

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244 comments
KrisHulbert
KrisHulbert

Are you kidding me Peter?  The Bills put up 44 with two rookie QBs (the first QB selected in the draft and a free agent rookie) who combine for 35-44 for 306, 3 TDs and no picks and you don't say a peep about either of them??

Any other year you would spend weeks blowing the first QB drafted and on the field, but thank god we got six pages of coverage about the rookie guards.  Awesome. 

The Bills are in the league, deal with it. 

MomOfBoys
MomOfBoys

Not a fan of the new format or font. Too much flash and clutter going on. (I'm sure we are a minority though) Takes away from why we enjoyed the weekly MMQB -- feels like you bought into the corporate machine. Doesn't mesh with the personal stories and never would have expected it from you. Good Luck with it.

b.jack.hamilton
b.jack.hamilton

I don't think I've ever pulled for a player to make my team.  Naturally, I have my favorites on the roster but basically, I pull for whoever is out there for my squad and I trust the men who make those decisions.  That's changed this year with my Falcons signing Brian Banks.  Who among us can't appreciate his attitude?  He really is, from all of the accounts I can find, a tremendous young man and, i must admit, probably a better man than I.  I doubt I'd be able to move forward without any bitterness the way he has done.  C'mon, Dirty Birds, this man deserves at least a practice squad spot!:)

6marK6
6marK6

I  think Kosar is more pretentious than arrogant. Arrogant implies you have a reason to feel superior. 

Richard Long
Richard Long

Peter must have forgotten the league has 32 teams.  He seemed to focus on the Lions, Jets, Ravens, KC and a couple of others, ad nauseum.  Hopefully next week he will remember some of the other teams and have some information in there about them. 

Jerkzilla
Jerkzilla

Can you imagine how good Cabrera's lifetime #'s would be and how full his trophy case would be if he was remotely sober before 2 years ago?

MrSerious
MrSerious

Let me get this straight:

1.) Kosar says the Rams receivers stink, the receivers coach stinks, and Clemens stinks... True statements but so hurtful that he must apologize.  

2.) Peter King says Bernie was drunk... false statements and hurtful (considering his slurred speech is a disability caused by 10 or more concussions he received from, you know, playing the game) and no apology is warranted.

Why should Bernie apologize for being a truthful jerk yet King doesn't need to apologize for being a misleading jerk?  

For the record, Clemens was 6/13 (thats a whopping 46.2% completion percentage), for 116 yards, with 1 td and 2 picks.  Kosar says that stinks and Fisher says he played well... hmmm.


danwatson19
danwatson19

Peter, maybe you should have tried watching the actual Browns/Rams broadcast instead of just basing your response off of Jeff Fisher's rant.  You would have found that Bernie Kosar was at least as critical of Browns players as he was of those on the Rams.  He also praised Clemens, citing his great arm strength and ability to pick up and evade the blitz, right after he criticised him.


tflucht
tflucht

PK - three things I think.  

One, like the expanded format a LOT.  Content all seems worthwhile, no filler.  Be interesting to see if your team can keep it up.  

Two, spent a year in Chattanooga for school.  The Lookouts' games were always a highlight.  If I recall correctly, student nights (way back in the 80s), we $1 admission, and 25-cent hot dogs.  Tough to beat that.  

Three, Cabrera is a monster.  Had the good fortune to be on the field for BP in Cleveland last week, and Cabrera was pretty much hitting them out by section:  left, left-center, deep center, right field.  With power.  Although V-Mart hit the longest one, Miggy was by far the most consistent stroke. 

regaljohn
regaljohn

PK, the new format threw me off. But really really happy to see you preserve the regular Monday column with all of its traditions intact, even if the fonts are different. Do I dare invoke Bernie Kosar, and suggest that the parts of your column are are as Holy as parts of the Mass? All kidding aside, thanks for continuing to humanize the NFL. 

couch68
couch68

What's up with all the holier-than-thou consternation regarding King's "questioning" whether Kosar had been drinking. I think it was pretty funny, myself.

How many times, literally or figuratively, have we said in reference to something a little crazy..."What the eff, bro...are you drunk?"

So many touchy d-bags who are looking for ANY reason to get their little panties in a wad. Get over it fellas...this is professional football...it's OK to be masculine.

mystafugee
mystafugee

Oh by the way, Jeff Fisher once gave Chris Mortensen's son, a guy who wasn't even good enough to start at Samford a tryout with the Titans (he appeared in a preseason game).  Hmmmmm....and now Peter King is defending Fisher whom he also shares the same agent.  I gotta hand it to Fisher, he knows how to use his media puppets.  

mystafugee
mystafugee

Now that Steve Sabol has passed away, I guess Peter King has taken the mantra of writing fluff pieces about NFL teams.  

olesmokey
olesmokey

Peter, I appreciate the work that you have done over the years.  Your columns have been entertaining and informative.

However, your comments about Kosar and drinking were very unprofessional, and you're better than that.  If you sat down and watched the entire broadcast of that game, I think your opinion regarding Bernie's commentary would be entirely different.  Bernie's not a saint, by any means.  However, if you want a breakdown of the X's and O's of offense, you can't get a color commentator any better than Bernie.  His commentary Thursday night was detailed, coherent, entertaining and spot-on.  If a color commentator can't criticize a receiving corps for dropping 6 passes in one game, that's a sad statement for our society in general and a sign of political correctness gone awry.  

I'm glad to see your apology this evening on Twitter, and look forward to reading your column tomorrow morning that further expounds your apology.  I don't know if Kosar is an alcoholic or not, and I am in no place to judge him one way or another.  However, I do know that, worse case scenario, if Bernie is alcoholic, I have seen many individuals fight that fight, turn their lives around, become sober, and do great things with their lives.  Let's not disparage individuals who fight the difficult fight of sobriety.


Shane Mac
Shane Mac

Hey Peter - 

1.  When will you rename your '10 Things I Think I Think' to (as in this week's column) '32 Things I Think'?  Less is more.  Think harder.

2.  You did not take my advice yet to change your column pic to a less simian version of your visage.  Pin your ears back, smile and stop hunching your shoulders.....sit up straight and be proud of your ugliness.  

3.  I was on the fence on the Kosar thing - I saw a little of the broadcast and thought Bernie was acting the homer a bit.  I then read that you and Jeff Fisher share the same agent (True?) and consider him a friend.  So, Peter, it may be a bit of homerism on your part too, eh?  So I have to ask, rhetorically, were you drinking while writing this column?

4.  Took a side trip to read '10 Things I Think I Think' by the Bears' TE Martellus Bennett.  What a load of immature, narcissistic drivel.  The guy is 26 going on 14.  Pay your editors a little more please. 

BenFrambaugh
BenFrambaugh

So the man who has had an alcohol related comment in pretty much every one of his MMQB columns for YEARS now has the audacity to ask if some teams local color-commentator was drunk when he said/did nothing wrong and/or out of line?  You admit that you had the owner of a brewery have a half-gallon of alcohol ready for you when you arrived.  Seriously?  

I suppose that makes you an expect on drinking/drunk.  Get to an AA meeting to discuss your Alcoholism issue.  You need some serious help Peter.  

luvfoozball
luvfoozball

"I had to leave Des Moines early this morning to get on the road, and I’m told I’ll miss the Sheep Show at the Iowa State Fair. Not to mention the deep fried stick of butter everyone told me i just had to try. I’ll be back someday."

*shudders* Are they serious with this stuff? Now wonder healthcare costs for the country just keep going up and up.

Greg Lowdermilk
Greg Lowdermilk

I've read MMQB for the last time...your comments and tweets regarding Kosar are outrageous. You, sir, are the one that needs to apologize. Bernie Kosar has forgotten more than you'll ever know about football ( and please spare me the concussion / alcoholic remarks about memory ) this guy is working hard to turn his life around, and I for one really enjoy his color commentary, he's not the usual, dull PC talking head... and just happens to have a pretty good sense of humor. As for Jeff Fischer , sorry you had your feelings hurt bro...but your receivers actually DO suck ( being a Browns fan for nearly fifty years, I know a thing or two about that ), and your " well documented issues " remark was a cheap shot too, far more out of line than anything Bernie said about the Rams. I happen to live near San Francisco, and even though I've never been a 49ers fan I'm gonna make it a point now to root for them to crush the Rams twice a year until you're done in STL. And btw Peter, when you visit Cleveland from now on, you might want to make sure there's not a little something extra floating in latte or Great Lakes draft, if you know what I mean.

Troutstamp
Troutstamp

KC fans will soon find out that Andy Reid is just a glorified assistant coach, just as Ray Rhoads was before him. Reid says that he's glad to be back just coaching the team, which is odd, since Reid gets out-coached just about every week by the oppositions head coach. The scary thing for Eagles fans is that it took 14 years for their owner and lame front office to realize it. Reid will be out at KC before Chip Kelly is in Philly but it could be close.

mystafugee
mystafugee

@6marK6 maybe so but I'll take his pretentiousness over people like Gruden who just brown nose for 2-3 hours a broadcast.  

duckfan59
duckfan59

@Richard Long He's cruising around the country visiting all the teams' camps. Those were the ones he visited this week. Last week you would have seen different teams mentioned. Next week's will be different as well. He published the schedule in one of his previous columns.

Mike26
Mike26

@Richard Long Richard, it's a long training camp season.  PK has admitted he has a problem - the first step is admitting you have a problem.  Let's give him a couple of months to provide a more balanced coverage of the league.  Having 4 writers will help, even though most are East Coast-based.  However, let's just give him a chance....

SamPerkins
SamPerkins

@MrSerious You noticed too!  "Mr. Hypocrisy" does this sort of thing all the time.

Richard Long
Richard Long

@MrSerious Good points.  I will say that I watched that game and found Kosar to be a terrible color man (which has nothing to do with him calling out Clemens and the receivers).  He seemed very arrogant, not so much personally but from a Browns point of view, as if the Browns are some dynasty franchise.  He must not recall the Browns have never been to a Super Bowl, much less won one. 

MrSerious
MrSerious

@couch68 Fisher is the one being a cry baby.  The receivers did stink, clemens played lousy (although apparently fisher things a 46% completion rate and 2 to 1 interception to td ratio is a good performance) and Kosar called it like it was.  I also dont recall Kosar talking about Fisher's adultery or the fact he has had a record above .500 7 times in the last 18 years.  Fisher is the one who made it personal.

Mike26
Mike26

@couch68 It's completely different situation when a respected national writer spouts off on a global scale about it without even having heard exactly what or how it was said in the first place - don't you think?  Do you believe anyone would compare you sitting on your couch at home or a bar stool at a sports bar saying the same thing to PK tweeting it = ESPECIALLY with his conflict of interest with the Rams organization?

mystafugee
mystafugee

@couch68 but apparently it's not okay to criticize people in the eyes of the Browns and Jeff Fisher, talk about getting your panties in a wad.  

Mike26
Mike26

@mystafugee Wow, you're just coming to that realization?  You're decades behind.

Mike26
Mike26

@mystafugee mystafugee, why would you disparage the man that along with his father, made the NFL into the product it is today?  Is it possible that you are that dense?  Judging by your comments it appears you are...

couch68
couch68

@Shane Mac 
  
You are spending way too much time analyzing a thumbnail photo of a grown man.

I'd say I looked at it for, like, .002 seconds.

There are other sites on the internet with larger, higher quality photos of men (or women...my preference) for your viewing pleasure. Maybe you should peruse Google Images?

Mike26
Mike26

@Troutstamp Wow, the unnatural hatred of such an accomplished coach is SOOOOO Philly fan....... 

MrSerious
MrSerious

@Richard Long @MrSerious Kosar is arrogant.  He has always been that way.  He says what he thinks, to coaches, fans, etc.  He always has.  Believe me if you have watched Kosar call preseason Browns games in the past, you would know its not coming from a Browns point of view.  He has been more critical of Browns players and coaches then he was of the Rams.  Kosar calls it as he sees it.  Let me ask you, what did you think of his analysis? IMO, he was spot on.  Its hard to blame someone for being right.  Could he have said it in a more PC way, sure, but that wouldnt be as funny or entertaining.

Chastaen
Chastaen

@mystafugee @couch68 Exactly, Kosar's comments were accurate for the game. They were just twisted by Peter King, who then whined about someone not saying good things about his 'pet team'. Seriously Peter, you respond to a commentators comments about their play during a game by going to a practice and saying they look good? How many balls does a receiving corp have to drop badly in a game before the opposing team commentator can call them 'horrible'? Apparently many more than a half dozen.

Kosar's commentary was accurate. Jeff Fisher not only threw Kosar under the bus trying to protect his players, but needlessly attacked Kosar's character. You are supposed to be a professional football coach Fisher, how many drops do you think Rams fans are going to say is acceptable each game. Heck, Fisher should be thanking Kosar because he was saved the ire of Rams fans this week as they nerd rage on Kosar's comments instead. Or delude themselves by thinking they can explain away badly dropped passes by saying it's just a 'vanilla offense' for the 1st preseason game.

luvfoozball
luvfoozball

@Mike26 @luvfoozball Every heart attack inducing, lard filled food item is considered a "delicacy" by someone. The fact is it still remains unhealthy.

bobinpowell
bobinpowell

@Richard Long @MrSerious  Right, he played defense "on the drive" and was responsible for "the fumble."  Your reference to his daughter was a cheap shot, but nothing unexpected from a self-proclaimed long Richard.

Richard Long
Richard Long

@MrSerious @Richard Long  I've watched a lot of pre-season games and never have I heard anyone be so critical in them, that's what shocked me.  I've lived in Dallas, Baltimore, Denver, Seattle, Chicago and watched dozens of their pre-season games and their color men were always gracious for both teams.  I would hate to listen to him for four games every season, so glad I don't root for Cleveland (that and the fact that they've never been to a SB ).  And as far as Kosar goes, three shots and he went 0-3 in the biggest games of his life.  Sorry, that doesn't cut it.  I would think he would have more humility given that he was a good, but not great QB.  And the fact that his daughter has done porn only adds to the fact that I would think he would have more humility. 

Mike26
Mike26

@MrSerious @Richard Long Mr. Serious, the porn star bit is used as part of the foundation of any good argument - are you new to internet discussions?  LOL

MrSerious
MrSerious

@Richard Long @MrSerious You saw the first half.  The Rams played horribly, and Cleveland didn't.  Who should he have criticized?  No doubt he is arrogant and a bit defiant (his ousting from the browns had much do with with changing a play bill belichick called, scoring a TD on that play, and telling the media he drew the play up in the dirt) but he understands QB and Receiver play like no one I have heard call a game.

I must say, you are wrong about Kosar in big games.  Sure the browns lost in the most heart wrenching fashion imaginable under Kosar.  That said, in 85, he threw for a NFL playoff record 489 yards in a come from behind OT win over the Jets.  In 87, he threw for 356 yards and 3 tds in the loss to Elway in the AFC championship.  If Byner didnt fumble on the 2 yard line, Kosar would have avenged Elways Drive the year before with one of his own.  in 88 he set an NFL record for the most consecutive playoff games with 3 or more TDs.  

What does his daughter being a porn star have to do with him?

Richard Long
Richard Long

@MrSerious @Richard Long I only watched the first half and he was not very critical of the Browns then.  He was highly critical of the Rams, their play calling, their alignments, ....I'm not a Rams fan so it really doesn't bother me.  I just found him to be so arrogant.  Especially for a guy who couldn't get it done in the big games.  And you have to think he would be a bit more humble considering his daughter has done porn. 

Mike26
Mike26

@Mot Cevaro @Chastaen @mystafugee @couch68 Fisher has ALWAYS looked out for Fisher and Fisher alone; how else could a mediocre to average coach (.500 coach in 17 years) last so long without very little accomplishment?

Mot Cevaro
Mot Cevaro

@Chastaen @mystafugee @couch68 It was the premeditated decision by King and Fisher attack Bernie's personal character over critical comments he made about a football game.  What's makes it worse, is that Fisher asked reporters to ask the question so he could go on public record and personally blast Kosar.  As if FIsher has any room to talk regarding someones's personal life considering his "well documented" adultery.  King made it worse by adding his premeditated personal attack on Kosar to get some brownie points with his agent's son (Rams VP of football operations, Kevin Demoff) so he will continue to get his exclusive access with the Rams (like being allowed in the draft day war room).  

Mike26
Mike26

@luvfoozball @Mike26 You need to leave this board and go back to Dr. Oz's website - you'd probably be much happier.

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