Arian Foster: The AFC’s Mystery Man

The Jets' QB situation took a turn for the even more absurd after Rex Ryan's inexplicable decision to play Mark Sanchez in the fourth quarter resulted in a shoulder injury.
The Jets’ QB situation took a turn for the even more absurd after Rex Ryan’s inexplicable decision to play Mark Sanchez in the fourth quarter resulted in a shoulder injury. (Julio Cortez/AP)

This is just too easy.

The head coach of the Jets, Rex Ryan, committed career suicide Saturday night in New Jersey. On the 52nd play of a preseason game, with 11:21 left in the fourth quarter (a point of the game when no starting player plays in August), behind an offensive line full of backups, when his opening-day quarterback appeared to have no idea he was going to play, with undrafted free agents Joseph Collins from Weber State and Ryan Spadola from Lehigh running down passes, Ryan inserted Mark Sanchez into the game.

“Why compete, period?” Ryan explained after Sanchez, leveled by Giants defensive tackle Marvin Austin on his ninth play in the game, went out with a shoulder injury. “We put him out there with guys. We’re there to win.”

Players get hurt in the preseason all the time. But this injury was so nonsensical that it defies any reasonable explanation. Ryan certainly knew after watching Geno Smith stink it up for three quarters (three interceptions to go with a safety in which Smith ran out the back of the end zone, a la Dan Orlovsky) that Sanchez was going to win the quarterback competition between him and Smith. The fourth quarter of a preseason game is no place to strut his manly stuff and repeat the silly mantra, “We’re there to win.” Marginally, yes you are. Marginally. Mostly you’re there in the second half of these games to survive, figure out the final five or six spots on your roster, and plot your practice squad. Now, assuming Sanchez is going to be out for a while, Ryan has invited his termination—which was likely anyway—by wasting a starting player and forcing Smith into the starting lineup before he’s ready. I spoke with a source close to the Jets’ coaching staff Sunday, and he said the atmosphere around the team was funereal Sunday.

The sad thing is, Ryan’s a good guy, a colorful character in a colorless league, and an imaginative defensive coach. But he signed his exit visa Saturday night. It’s all over but the 4-12 record. Next year, Ryan’s either going to be on a network set doing some pregame show, or coordinating some defense somewhere. The Adam Sandler movie star-turn? A souvenir of a time long past.

Imagine you’re a Jets PR or marketing person this morning—or, worse, a ticket-seller. Already you’ve got gobs of tickets to unload for this season. What do you sell this morning? Can the Jets do some ticket deal like six-for-the-price-of-one? Six: in honor of their needlessly fallen quarterback’s number, of course.

Defense will have to carry Jets as offense figures it out

***

Five Things I Thought About the Jaguars

Observations from a third preseason game in Jacksonville:

1. Jacksonville’s optimistic about Blaine Gabbert being ready to play against Kansas City in the season opener, and maybe he can play 22 days after cracking a bone at the base of his thumb against the Jets last week. But I shook hands with Gabbert on the field before the game, and his right thumb is casted, with the cast due off, tentatively, four days before the opener. In a year when this franchise has to decide whether to take a first-round quarterback next May, it seems counter-productive to the biggest goal of this season (finding out if Gabbert’s the future) to rush him back.

No matter where he lines up, Denard Robinson will make an impact on the Jaguars' offense.
No matter where he lines up, Denard Robinson will make an impact on the Jaguars’ offense. (Phelan M. Ebenhack/AP)

2. The Jags are serious about wedging Denard Robinson into the game in as many as five spots—wide receiver, slot receiver, running back, quarterback and kick returner. That’s where he played Saturday night against the Eagles. Before the game, in GM David Caldwell’s office, it was evident how much the Jags want to see Robinson on the field this fall. On Caldwell’s magnetic team depth chart board, right next to the quarterbacks and running backs, was a category labeled “OW.” For “offensive weapon.” That’s the label Robinson gave himself after Jacksonville picked him in the fifth round last April. Robinson told me he wasn’t upset about being moved from quarterback. “As long as I get in the game, anywhere, I’m happy,” he said.

3. This team’s definitely a year, or more, away. I wonder if Justin Blackmon will be part of the 2014 Jags, and I asked Caldwell if he thought Blackmon would be a part of his team’s future. “That is our hope,” Caldwell said. Give the GM credit—he didn’t want to lie. I wouldn’t trust Blackmon after his track record of alcohol abuse. And to hear the Jaguars insiders talk glowingly about opening-day starters Cecil Shorts III and Ace Sanders—the Pedroia-sized Jag version of Tavon Austin—it’s clear that if they have to move on from Blackmon, the team will. But Blackmon showed against the Eagles—with his hands, quickness and length—that as a player he’s a key cog to a winning team. I know this makes too much sense, but my plaintive cry to Blackmon after three major alcohol incidents while driving in his 23-year-old life is this: Spend $40,000, or whatever it would take to hire a permanent driver. Stop driving. Just stop. You can hire a driver to be on call for you for a fraction of your $7.11 million 2012 signing bonus. Isn’t that worth the peace of mind when you’re one vehicular mistake away from ruining your NFL career?

4. Very impressed with the offensive imagination, which will be vital for the Jags to be competitive. Impressed, too, with rookie safety Johnathan Cyprien, a smart player and person.

5. I have no idea who’s going to rush the passer. I have no idea who’s going to cover Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne or Kenny Britt. There’s going to be tremendous pressure on the offense to stay close in shootouts, and though offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch has been imaginative and resourceful, the Jags were 30th in scoring last year and return the same quarterbacks who struggled so mightily. Gus Bradley’s always been good at figuring ways to invent pressure, and he’d better be this year. This sets up to be one of the worst pass defenses in football this year.

Jags are making the right moves, but still lack enough talent to break through

***

The upshot of the NFL-ESPN tiff.

Earlier this month, talking to TV critics in Los Angeles, ESPN’s senior coordinating producer Dwayne Bray spoke glowingly of the relationship between ESPN and the PBS investigative-journalism show Frontline. ESPN partnered with this outside company, a rarity for a news organization with infinite resources such as ESPN, to work the story on concussions and head trauma in the NFL. That day, Bray told the TV critics: “We respect Frontline greatly. They respect us. And the NFL is going to have to understand that.”

Bray learned a hard lesson in the realities of the relationship between the NFL and Big TV on Thursday, a few days after commissioner Roger Goodell, NFL Network president Steve Bornstein and two ESPN executives clashed over the reporting of the issue by ESPN and Frontline. The league believes the reporting of the story has been one-sided, showing team doctors often ignoring players’ best interests to return them to games when they weren’t physically fit to do so. The New York Times reported the lunch meeting “was combative” and the result was ESPN pulling out of the collaboration. “Disney folks [ESPN is owned by Disney] got involved and shut us down,” the newspaper quoted Bray as telling demoralized ESPN investigative staffers.

The project both sides were working on, a two-part documentary called “League of Denial: The NFL’s Concussion Crisis,” will still air on Oct. 8 and 15, just not without the ESPN imprimatur. But much of the reporting on the show was done by ESPN reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and Steve Fainaru, who have a book coming out about the league’s failings as a watchdog for scores of former players suffering from head trauma.

I’m told Goodell did not explicitly tell ESPN to get out of the relationship with Frontline. But, one source told me, “The impression ESPN got was the NFL, one of its most important business partners, was furious because it felt the full story about the concussion story wasn’t being told.” Did ESPN have to do anything? No. The network holds rights to NFL games through 2021, and the NFL had no leverage here. The only thing the NFL might have been able to do here is fudge with future ESPN schedules, though that’s not in anyone’s best interests, because the NFL wants the TV ratings to be as good as the networks want them to be. But the power of the partnerships the NFL forges is strong, and the league works ceaselessly on relationships and partnership-building. Whatever words Goodell spoke at this lunch were as important as the tenor of them. And the tenor was unmistakeably angry.

ESPN announced it was pulling out of the deal with Frontline. That, to me, set off the single biggest unintended consequence of this story, one that will injure the NFL rather than simply letting the concussion story play out on Frontline.

The NFL may be eventually fighting a multibillion-dollar case with retired players and their dependents over this very issue—that the league didn’t care enough, or at all, about the health of players when returning them to games after sustaining head trauma. And so it’s naïve to think the league shouldn’t be fighting for its reputation when stories are written or produced that the NFL feels are wrong or unbalanced. But look what’s happened here. Now that the story has broken that the league leaned hard on ESPN, the public has lashed back hard at the NFL for trying to curtail the network’s reporting—whether that’s exactly what happened or not. (And surely the league wanted the ESPN reporting to take a different tack.) So the result is going to be that the two Frontline stories will have far bigger ratings now. Think about it. You’re a football fan. You see the headlines about the NFL reportedly pressuring ESPN to report the concussions story differently, or not at all. You had no idea before this happened that any such documentary was even in the works. But now, admit it: You’re now might actually watch this two-part show. I would have anyway, but now it’s an urgent watch.

It’s unrealistic to think that if the NFL was so strident about its objections to the reporting, ESPN at a corporate level wasn’t going to do something to smooth things over. It’s also unrealistic to think in a news-gathering organization, this wasn’t going to get out. The NFL was going to see red over the Frontline documentary anyway. Now the burn will be worse, because thousands more people will watch it. Tens of thousands, probably.

My colleague Richard Deitsch wrote overnight about the story on SI.com.

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188 comments
Ciscos
Ciscos

1. Eagles will be entertaining - and better than last year. 

2. Saints will regain their form and their swag.  They'll be better as well - offensively speaking.  Defense is another story. Not sure Rob Ryan's defense has been fully absorbed, but hey, they've got one more week then everything is for real.

3. Jacksonville for all of it's potential, is still a project and that starts at QB.  Not sold on Gabbert (injured or not) and I def believe this is his make or break year.  Gus Bradley is a Pete Carroll trainee - meaning, they'll be looking for another QB in 2014.

4. Buffalo will be better - with EJ Manual at QB for half of the season.

5. Tennessee - They remind me of the crazy uncle living upstairs in his room.  They'll make some noise, but chances are nothing will come out of it.

6. Jets - ready for a rebirth, but it's not going to happen. Too much dysfunction and Ryan will take it in the shorts. Expect to see Jets run at Nick Saban at the EOS.

7. Raiders - just throw Terrelle Pryor out there and take an antacid. He's going to make mistakes, just like the organization has for more than several years, but he's mobile, he's young and guess what? He's finally learned how to throw a pass. Even knowing that, he's a better option than Flynn - and considering the Raiders outsmarted themselves in drafting Matt Barkley, they might as well let him grow - or let him go.

8. Kansas City - Team to watch. Got a QB and got a re-energized head coach in Andy Reid. I said last year, watching him on the Eagles sideline and at the press conferences, he looked burnt out. He doesn't look that way now and that's good news for him, his family and the Chiefs.

9. Seattle - Team assembled to compete now. 

10. San Francisco - see Seattle above.

11. Ravens - Will "The Purge" do more harm than good? Dunno. Flacco is Flacco, but can he still be without Bolden who saved his bacon on more occasions than I can count.  Defense still dominates. Must be that Baltimore water.

12. Bengals - I know why Mike Brown agreed to be on Hard Knocks again. He was clowned the first time and he wanted to show they're headed in a new direction. I believe they are since he decided to leave the drafting of players to coaches who coach them. They've done well.  However, one thing for certain is Taylor Mays needs to stop talking about superheros or he's done.

sbello
sbello

It gives great hope and solace to all small business owners/armchair quarterbacks out there that even in the top tiers of business, the people running the show can make the dumbest decisions. This past week's trifecta of calamities will go down as a major stain to the reputation of ESPN, the NFL and what's left of the Jet's organization.  The winner in all of this is Frontline, a highly regarded news show on PBS. I look forward to watching its documentary on concussions in the NFL in October thanks to the NFL.  

Jerkzilla
Jerkzilla

The Jets are disfunctional, just like Woody Johnson's family. With lack of leadership at the top, you get nothing but chaos below.

NYCDIA
NYCDIA

What makes you think Rex Ryan was the one calling the shots in that game? Ryan is a lame duck in a lame duck organization.

More importantly, "Why wasn't a penalty called against the fool who took out Kevin Williams in the Viking, 49ers game?" Every play in the NFL today seems to lead to a penalty, yet here we have a young player with an obvious intent to go low on a veteran player and nothing happens. That is a disgrace and the 49ers own players should come out against that type of play. So NFL were is the fine, and or suspension?

Harry4naris
Harry4naris

Rip Rex for playing to  win but give Old Man Tom Coughlin a pass for "playing to win" by kicking a field goal to tie that game to send it to overtime, after he went for 4th & Short earlier in the game. Hack job. Jets D plus a modern NFL offense this year (non Tony Sparano driven) will win them 7 games this year.

MikeLittle
MikeLittle

Houston Texas a model organization???  After busting on the high #1 picks that they had?  Sorry but those picks should have taken them to the Super Bowl in order to be the model organization.

bmore19
bmore19

Re: The Jaguars new helmet.  It's probably the same person who designed your MMQB web pages - both make the eyes bleed.

jfpdroid
jfpdroid

I get tired of people saying that Sanchez had "won" the competition. He hadn't and they put Sanchez in for more reps. Geno's game was much better than the statline suggests and he showed escapability, accuracy and poise that Sanchez has not shown this preseason. What possible could can come from trotting the worst starting QB in the NFL out there again. There was a new depth chart posted by the Jets and Geno/Mark are listed as the 1. Mark has not "won" anything yet,.

drudown
drudown

But I thought smart teams try to lose in order to get such a coveted #1 pick?

/s/ the Colts

pol6ca2
pol6ca2

I bet most of the other people on the flight had their phones on or in airplane mode. Did you see that funny bit on Extra Mustard about that a few days ago?

llovette99
llovette99

PK just gave Arian Foster the fantasy kiss of death!

ChrisDuPre
ChrisDuPre

Did you even test the new website on iPad browsers? Takes forever to load and regularly crashes Chrome and Safari.


Newer isn't necessarily better.

RobertSmith
RobertSmith

Peter - What was "bizarre" about Foster not being drafted given what was known about him in 2009 -- not what we know in 2013?

What we knew in 2009:

Freshman - 879 yards. Arrested

Sophomore - 322 yards.  Injured.  

Junior - 1,193 yards

Senior - 570 yards.  Injuries. UT coaches preferred other RBs

Pro Day - 4.71 40-yard time and negative feedback from UT coaches about his attitude. 

Would you REALLY have used a draft pick in 2009 on someone with that history??

DjangoZeaman
DjangoZeaman

The Streisand Effect in full force with the NFL concussion story. The more you try to cover it up, the more attention you draw to it.

dca44
dca44

no fantasy insights?

Richard A
Richard A

Peter King displaying his anti-Raider bias again. Without Ray Guy you don't have all these punters with higher averages than Guy. He changed the position. The punters of today were influenced by Guy to become punters. Ray Guy changed punters went from an afterthought to a strategic weapon. PK is just looking at the raw stats. He is being totally ignorant when he states punting hasn't changed between now and 1973. In '73 they didn't keep stats for kicks inside the 20,  touch-backs, or net yards. Guy's influence created these stats. Has PK heard of the Ray Guy award. Guy was voted the punter for the National Football League 75th Anniversary All-Time Team. If he played for the Pats King would be raising hell to get him into the HOF.

ProfessorGriff
ProfessorGriff

Jon Gruden = idiot.  guy sounds like such a hick

MikeBailey
MikeBailey

Concerning the Kevin Kolb hit that gave him a possible career ending concussion, just look back at the simple wall crash that killed Dale Earnhardt. 
Do you think Jacksonville Jags will be relocated to L.A. by 2015?

michaeltucker173
michaeltucker173

Dear Peter,

I have been watching the NFL religiously since the mid 1950's, and I have never seen a kicker as good as Ray Guy.  You must have not seen him in action very much since he was before your time.

What made him so special was not the length of his kicks, although he could kick it very far, but the hang time he could create.  No one had his hang-time which to me means there would be no chance for anyone to return one of any length.  His hang-time stymied opposing kick-returners from scoring returns.  I haven't done the research on Guy's opposing returners but I would venture a guess it was the best of any other kickers then or now.

Sincerely,

T. Michael Tucker

CMFJ
CMFJ

re: putting Sanchez in the game is going to get Rex Ryan fired.

Ryan may very well get fired, but it will have a lot more to do with his defense not being elite and power running game having no power than whether Mark Sanchez got hurt in a preseason game.

First, I know everyone in the media is screaming about how bad a decision it was to put Sanchez in the game, but there is no logical reason that is true.  The most common sentiment is that 2nd and 3rd string OL were in the game.  Left out of this audaciously silly argument is that they are playing against backup DL and LBs.  Putting Sanchez in the game at that juncture had no higher risk of injury than in any other game.  Now, if anyone can prove that the incidence of QB injuries is higher in preseason games when the backup OLs are playing, I will gladly change my mind.  But I am reasonably certain it is not true.  Was it embarrassing for Sanchez?  Maybe.  When was the last time the media supported a player not wanting to play because he was too important to do so?  Never.  There is just no good actual reason that putting Sanchez in the game was a bad decision.

Second, Sanchez has been average in the very best stretches of his career, but was one of the worst QBs in the league last year.  Whether you guage it by NFL passer rating, ESPN's QBR, or Football Outsiders DVOA, he was in the bottom five.   18 INTs to 13 TDs.  His completion percentage has never been above 57%.  YPA never above 6.71.  He should not be the Jets starter. Whether Geno Smith is ready or not, the Jets need to play him to find out about him sooner rather than later.   If Ryan had wanted Sanchez to be the starter, he would not have played him.  He clearly does not want Sanchez to be the starter, which is a good coaching choice.  The Jets would be better off trading for a veteran backup for their starter if Smith is not ready.  Almost any in the league would be better than Sanchez.

CobyPreimesberger
CobyPreimesberger

well and for saints fans bad news today switching to 4-3 and one of the cogs of that 4-3 wioll smith out for the year knee injury

nigel_tufnel
nigel_tufnel

Pre-season games are a joke. The whole object of the exercise is for starters to avoid injury. Why bother with the pre-season charade? Young talent can be assessed by playing organized scrimmages against other teams during training camp. Instead of meaningless exhibitions, let's play 18 regular-season games instead of 16. Yes, I know injury attrition rates are already horrendous. But I have a solution! Teams would play 18 games, but each player would be limited to participating in 16 games. Increase roster-sizes from 53 to 62 or even 65.

Everybody wins in my scenario. Owners increased payroll costs would be covered by the additional TV revenue they receive from the networks. Networks would be happy because they would have 2 additional weeks of NFL inventory. The NFLPA would be happy because 375 new jobs would be created & all players would not be exposed to any additional risk than they are now. In fact, quality of play would improve because in addition to each team receiving a bye week during the season, each player would be required to have two "individual" bye weeks, which would come in handy since most players require recovery time from nagging injuries anyway. Fans would be happy because we get 19 weeks of NFL instead of 17 AND we're not forced to watch crappy, meaningless pre-season games.

My scenario would put an emphasis on team depth. Teams would have to start so-called "back-up players" in two games each season. Strategy in terms of roster manipulation (ie. when, or against which teams, would starters sit and miss a game?) would come into play. 

C'mon Commissioner & NFLPA, time to think "outside the box" & let's get rid of this pre-season farce!



Rickapolis
Rickapolis

I have to agree that I'm tired of the whiners that think they have the 'right' to do whatever they want whenever they want. The rule says you have to turn of electronic devices on the plane. So you turn them off and you shut up. I understand grief over  the loss of a pet. I care more for my pets than all but a dozen or so people I know. But TURN OFF THE PHONE. It's a safety issue. Is your own personal problem worth endangering a plane load of people? Of course not.  If you object to the rules, take different transportation. No one has the 'right' to fly. You agree to the rules when you buy a ticket. King is absolutely right. This idiot should have been thrown out on the tarmac. Stop thinking that you are different or better than everyone else. The rules apply to you as well.

End of rant.

kcopen
kcopen

@pol6ca2 The biggest sham being put upon the American people is being forced to turn our phones off on planes. I've flown with mine on 100 times and have to admit i get aggravated when i'm told to shut off my ipad when i'm reading a book on take-off and landing. Just figure it out airlines

vanonymous
vanonymous

@pol6ca2 Seriously :)

If simply having a cell phone turned on could screw with a jet's operations, I'd be pulling a Madden and taking the bus from now on!

Mike26
Mike26

@RobertSmith Robert, anyone who couldn't see The Tree through that Foster Forest should be FIRED!!!!  Look how awesome he is - I mean, who COULDN'T have seen it?

BeauBradshaw
BeauBradshaw

@dca44 if you read the article, it says that when deciding wether or not to take a gamble on Arian Foster ,because of the red flags and injury risks, he suggests you take him in the first half the first round of your fantasy draft...

Knowitall
Knowitall

If Ray Guy would just come out as a Red Sox fan Peter would run his HOF campaign.

IvanAJagerbomb
IvanAJagerbomb

@Richard A - Ray Guy did not change the position...he was just really good at what he did....and belong in the HOF of course.

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@Richard A Yeah right. N O B O D Y   C A R E S. Funny you don't seem to want to address his Jerrell Wilson comparison. Even in his own time - when he was sooooo influential, there was somebody doing it better than him... Pretty sad (read funny) that the only thing Raiders-related people are talking about was some PUNTER 30 some odd years ago. Hilarious...

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@michaeltucker173 Riiiiight. Here come the 'old guys' remembering how they walked 15 miles to school in the driving rain everyday...

Harry4naris
Harry4naris

@CMFJ Sanchez has not been good, but he was in an archaic offense last year, I think this new west coast look will make him look average, along with the rest of the offense. That, plus the D will make them an OK team.(we want more than OK, but its certainly not a 3 win team)

rskins09
rskins09

@CMFJ    ... This is Sanchez 's last year  with the jets .... He's regressed last year and this year he looks worse than last year .. He's shell-shocked  ... It happens ... If I took the pounding he did last year I'd be gun shy also ..Rex Ryan - stick a fork in him also ...Give ya odds Ryan  get fired before end of the year ...Jets might win two games -  against  Buffalo..

BY
BY

@CMFJ So with which group would you rather play QB...the starters or the subs? Do you need statistical evidence to show that falling off a cliff hurts?

rskins09
rskins09

@nigel_tufnel    Been saying the same thing the past 40 years & always get that look like I don't know what I'm talking about ..They're glorified  flag footabll games ....don't pay any attention to exhibition games .. Remember Dallas was  0-5  and won the Super Bowl with Roger Staubach  ..Years  BEFORE   you didn't have to buy these exhibition  tickets when you bought season tckts  with most teams  ..What a ripoff  ... 

FeliciaFitzgerald
FeliciaFitzgerald

@nigel_tufnel  I don't think you've really thought this through to the logical conclusion.

Two games w/o the normal starters/stars? Not likely. 

Fans would hate watching backup QBs. The risk of injury would be much better with a back-up offensive line.

There are plenty more reasons why this suggestion isn't very wise...

ScottHoward
ScottHoward

@Rickapolis The "rules" are made by those who break the rules the most.   It is not a safety issue and to actually believe so one must succumb to levels of brainwashing I would rather not contemplate.  

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

@Rickapolis Last time I travelled by air, I didn't turn off my phone on any of the four legs - two out and back.  More interesting, still, the stewardesses didn't holler at me.  In fact, I don't think they said a word to anyone about phones.  They played the usual message about seat belts, and how phones should be off, but they didn't act like dicks about it.  And guess what: none of the flights crashed, or even seemed to be wobbly at any point.  This was a power play, on both sides.  Both players were dicks.  For the record, the FAA is mulling over the possibility of allowing phones to remain on at all times, given that the science behind it indicates that there's no real risk of crashing because of cell phones simply being on, and charter flights have no such rules about phones being off during take-off or landing.  Take from that what you will.

Richard A
Richard A

@Joebuckster @Richard A You are obviously a Chiefs fan. Wilson is never even remotely considered for the HOF. King is the only that brings him up. Ask the avg fan who should be in the HOF Guy or Wilson. answer, Wilson Who? When is the last time the Chiefs won anything, 45 years ago.

rskins09
rskins09

@IvanAJagerbomb @ProfessorGriff      Your  right ... He was the  Brent,  mushy mouth,  Musburger of the 1970's , 1980's on CBS ..   Every NFL player was great, stupendous ,the next Superman at his position...He was, then , a glorified cheerleader ..Felt like smacking  him and Jimmy , The Creep  was a big bag of wind who never told me anything on the air that I didn't know ...@rskins09 

Mike26
Mike26

@evil.aaronm @Rickapolis You are the obviously part of the "smarter, bold" generation that doesn't feel the need to follow rules/laws that you don't feel necessary following.  Got it!

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

@evil.aaronm @Rickapolis I can't argue that it may not be as dangerous as the airlines say, but I get so annoyed with these guys who think the rules are for everyone else. If you're told to turn it off, then you have an obligation to do so.  That's how I look at it, anyway.

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

@beekay31 You acknowledge that lots of people don't turn off their phones.  Yet how many planes have crashed because of it?  None that we know of.  So does turning off a phone really matter?  If not - and the evidence leans that way - why go through the charade?  As has been pointed out, the FAA is in the process of removing the rule, entirely.

beekay31
beekay31

@ScottHoward @beekay31 @Rickapolis There is no conspiracy theory as to why the rule exists.  The rule exists because there was or still is a legitimate concern of interference.  The airlines don't gain anything by disallowing you to use your phone.  As someone stated earlier, many people disobey the rules and don't turn theirs off.  Tell me what the airline didn't gain by this.

ScottHoward
ScottHoward

@beekay31 @ScottHoward @Rickapolis I'm not advocating taking an amplified cellphone and sticking it up to a pilot's head.   I'm not even saying that cellphones should be used on planes or that I try to refuse to turn mine off.  I am simply stating that the rule exists to make people follow the rule, regardless of whatever hack scientific or PR reason we are given.

beekay31
beekay31

@ScottHoward @beekay31 @Rickapolis Ever placed a cell phone with incoming/ outgoing signals in the vicinity of a speaker?  Now tell me what is located in a pilot's headset.  I've taken flight classes and communications at any international airport are of critical importance.

ScottHoward
ScottHoward

@beekay31 @ScottHoward @Rickapolis I spoke with an electrical engineer who is a pilot today about this very issue.   According to him and many other pilots I have spoken with there is no safety issue whatsoever (in truth there is a vast amount of emf in the air and if a trivial amount from a handful of cellphones screwed a plane up that much the entire industry would have to be changed).  He maintains as I do that it is simply another way to teach the populace to stay in line and do what they are told, as are most rules which are made and enforced by those who break them the most.

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

@Mike26 Not really, just someone who realizes that turning off cell phones makes no difference.  If it did, whole plane-loads of people would be dead the first time anyone forgot to turn off a phone, and the FAA would prevent phones from being on the plane at all.  Or is the FAA allowing passengers  to play Russian Roulette by letting people like me fly without guaranteeing our phones are off?

beekay31
beekay31

@evil.aaronm @Rickapolis Actually, the attendant DID "have to be a dick about it".  The threat of ejecting the stubborn passenger is the only thing that made him turn off the phone.  It is company and FAA protocol and if the plane crashed and there were any survivors aware the man's phone was on, you can bet they'd all be suing and the attendant would be fired.  Her job depended on it.

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

@Rickapolis @evil.aaronm Agreed, in principle.  I hate line cutters as much as anyone.  However, "Airplane mode" exists for just such occasions.  Once she was told it was in airplane mode, the attendant didn't have to be a dick about it and press the issue.  Once told to turn off the phone, the guy didn't have to be a dick about it and press the issue.  Like I said: two people behaving like dicks.  That rarely turns out well.

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