(Seth Wenig/AP)
(Seth Wenig/AP)

The Fall Guy

Rex Ryan has taken his lumps as Jets coach and deserved some of them. But ultimately it’s the man in the owner’s box who’s to blame for the shape the Jets are in

It has never been a better week to play the blame game and make Rex Ryan the loser every time, but jumping on the Jets’ fifth-year head coach alone is viewing the chaotic events of last Saturday night’s New York Bowl in total isolation. Ryan may be the biggest, easiest target here—although clearly not as big as he once was, in the literal sense—but he’s not the only one deserving to draw a blanket of unrelenting fire.

Mark Sanchez’s fourth-quarter shoulder injury should have never happened. Period. But I could say that about any number of curious and stupefying decisions that have been made in the Jets organization the past few years, and many of them can’t be traced to Ryan. And even the ones that can still pale compared to the blunders made above his pay grade.

So go ahead and pin the tail of fault on this donkey, but don’t forget to save some blame for that shadowy figure standing way in the back, out of the spotlight. The one who answers to “Woody.”

Ryan is the guy taking all the punches this week, while, somehow, the one who set up this whole doomed boxing match—Jets owner Woody Johnson—is watching unnoticed and unassailed from ring side. If we step back from the firestorm of the moment for just a bit, we can see the question of which struggling Jets quarterback (Sanchez or rookie Geno Smith) gets to preside over the dreadful season of football to come in New York isn’t really the most important story here.

You're Fired?

With his incomprehensible move to play Mark Sanchez in the fourth quarter against the Giants, and his bizarre post-game press conference, Rex Ryan has guaranteed his imminent demise in New York, Peter King writes.


Meanwhile, the offense is a mess, and, in worse news, the defense isn't good enough to bail it out anymore. It's going to be a long year, Andy Benoit writes as he previews the 2013 Jets.

The big-picture issue that matters most is Johnson’s lousy leadership of a franchise that continues to make bad decisions with predictably bad results. The Jets are becoming adept at assembling all the ingredients for disaster, playing around with them, and then watching with chagrin as they blow up in their face (see Tebow, Tim). And by now, we’re inclined to look New York’s way at all times, because the explosions keep coming at such a steady pace.

Johnson keeps pushing back against the “circus”’ label that has been attached to his team, calling it patently unfair. And he’s partly right. But his argument would get much stronger if the Jets could keep the jugglers and the clowns away for a full season. And alas, 2013 is not shaping up to be that year of legitimacy.

For starters, it was kind of easy to foresee that the shotgun marriage of new general manager John Idzik and an embattled holdover head coach in Ryan was a bad idea with little or no chance of success. But Johnson likes Ryan and decreed it be that way, despite few recent historical examples where such an arrangement worked long-term in the NFL.

It didn’t work twice for the Bears: The Jerry Angelo-Dick Jauron tandem was short-lived, as was the Phil Emery-Lovie Smith combination. It didn’t work in Cleveland when Mike Holmgren chose to keep Eric Mangini for another worthless season. And ultimately it didn’t work in San Diego, where A.J. Smith inherited Marty Schottenheimer, then proceeded to battle with him for three years while the team was compiling AFC West titles but no real playoff success.

Forcing a new general manager to keep a head coach usually results in a power struggle and a coaching change, and it’s the rare situation where success ensues. The Giants in 2007 were able to transition seamlessly from Ernie Accorsi to Jerry Reese at general manager while Tom Coughlin remained the coach, but it helped considerably that Reese was elevated into the job from within the organization, and wasn’t coming from the outside with his own set of experiences and power base.

Rex Ryan looks like he needs a hug.
Rex Ryan looks like he needs a hug. (Julio Cortez/AP)

So Idzik and Ryan set off to do business together, and what has Ryan gotten out of the deal so far? With Idzik determined to clean up the team’s salary cap mess—which Johnson allowed to develop under the tenure of former GM Mike Tannenbaum—the Jets took Ryan’s oft-avowed best player, cornerback Darrelle Revis, and shipped him off in trade to Tampa Bay. Then Idzik and the front office lined up behind the drafting of second-round quarterback Geno Smith, a pick that clearly complicated the Jets quarterback situation and was rife for creating more melodrama for Ryan.

So while the Jets rot away this year in the AFC East, cleaning up their cap situation and making a serious run at the Jadeveon Clowney draft slot in 2014, Ryan is the guy who will be left twisting in the wind. He’ll be sent out there on a weekly basis to take the heat, and then, when the debacle is finished, he’ll undoubtedly take the fall.

Ryan is far from blameless in this mess, and he’s made his share of mistakes, with self-created problems aplenty. But he’s also a good coach with a pretty decent track record as a head coach (making the playoffs half the time will get you a job in this league), and he shouldn’t even be in this no-win situation. Whether he admits it or not, Johnson has set Ryan up to fail this season, and I’m convinced he and his Jets are going to get it done.

Given the inevitability of it all, I can understand why Ryan lost it a little bit in his post-game news conference Saturday night. He can see where this thing is heading, and the Sanchez injury that he allowed to happen is just another brick in the wall that will eventually cave in on him. What do you want to bet that Johnson, the architect of the Jets collapse, gets away relatively unscathed?

They say in the NFL that head coaches and quarterbacks get too much of the credit when they win and too much of the blame when they lose, and that’s usually the case. But in New York this year, that handy rule of thumb really shouldn’t apply. When the Jets go down in flames this season, most of the fault should belong to the guy at the top. The Jets are Woody Johnson’s team, and this is definitely a disaster of his making.

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BallRush
BallRush

I've read a bunch of the comments below... and many are well written and thought through.  But I have to take issue with anyone that thinks Woody, Tannenbaum and Rex don't share more than enough of the blame.  Whoever said, "clean house", is dead on.

Woody - Jets fans shouldn't buy another Jets-licensed product, a beer at the stadium, a game-day ticket (I know season ticket holders, you're stuck), or purchase anything from any advertiser that supports the Jets.  Woody is a MAJOR reason for this catastrophe and the only thing that's going to stop him is if Jets fans rise up and stop putting money in his pocket.  Yes, there's TV revenue and season ticket sales you can't stop... but for the love of the game, stop everything else!  Send him a message Jets fans!

Tannenbaum - I'm not in the room when the personnel decisions were made, so not sure if it's Woody or Tannenbaum making the call.   This is a guy that was in the Jet's organization since 1997.  He is assistant GM during the Herm Edwards years (in my view, one of the worst head coaches in history, before Ryan that is).  He takes the GM reigns in 2006.  What follows?  Mangini and Ryan. The former is out of coaching which should tell everyone something.  The latter is about to be.  A salary cap fiasco of epic proportions results, punctuated with the exclamation point  moments of signing Tebow and then re-signing Sanchez to a Pro-Bowl level contract (I remember when I heard the news...  I couldn't believe I was reading it).  Enough said.

Ryan - There can never be enough said.  That's the problem.  He can't stop talking.  Just for a moment, compare and contrast a Rex Ryan (loser) press conference with a Bill Belichick (winner) press conference.  Now Bill's press events aren't perfect, but damn does he do a good job protecting his players, his coaches, and his organization from the external distractions that are referred to below as "a media circus".  It's not the media's fault that Rex keeps giving them fodder.  Rex can't help himself.  From foot fetish videos (WHAT?????) to Super Bowl guarantees, to admissions of losing his locker room, to what exactly he's going to do with Tebow, to how he handled himself this week...  Would Bill Belichick ever ever ever do any of these things???  NO WAY.  Plus, the fun continues because he lets his other coaches comment to the media, giving different messages to the press about different players.  It's not the media's fault for standing with a mic and recording all this commentary.  It's Rex's fault!!!  Then we can look at the W-L results and the game day coaching mistakes and... well, it is absolutely ridiculous that this guy is a head coach in the NFL. 

Summary:  Which circles me right back to Woody.  He's the ringmaster allowing all of this to happen.  Horrible head coaches (Edwards, Mangini, Ryan), GM's gone wild, players not respecting other players and the team, fans upset (even Fireman Ed resigns!!!???) - resulting in???  The Jets are the LAUGHING STOCK of the entire NFL.  His resume prior to 2000 when he bought the team has NO football in it.  He overpaid for the team in the first place, and now he thinks he knows something about football.  Well folks, he doesn't.  Go look at the Rooney family for what it takes to be a great owner...  does this guy act like a Rooney?  Even Bob Kraft, who was a life-long season ticket holder to the Pats, knew enough not to pretend he was an expert, and handed off the football chores to his football experts.

Folks...  it's a CIRCUS in New York and isn't it ironic that the Jets may be able to draft a defensive end named CLOWNEY in the 2014 draft.  Maybe it's not ironic...  maybe it's exactly perfect.


Mike26
Mike26

@BallRush 1.  Mangini is an offensive coach in San Francisco currently.

2.  The rest of what you wrote is pretty dam good!  Johnson is a football boob that is too dumb to admit he's a football boob because he's been so successful in  his other business ventures = inheriting old family money to fund whatever else he wants to do.


BallRush
BallRush

@Mike26 @BallRush  Oh that's right...   Mangenuis is back with a team!  What the heck is an "offensive consultant"????  Anyway, I stand corrected.  Thanks.

Mike26
Mike26

@BallRush @Mike26 No prob - it's an interesting title, but no word from PK on what the full effect of his presence is at this point - or if there is any.

Ciscos
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I like Rex Ryan.  I like him as a defensive coordinator.  However, I'm relatively cool on him as a head coach.  That's not to say if I was an NFL owner I wouldn't hire him, because I probably would - given the fact my football knowledge and philosophy is clearly better than Woody Johnson's.   Having said that, Banks hit's the nail on the head.  If you're going to point a finger a Ryan, then point two at Johnson. And while you're at it, throw a rock at former GM Mike Tannenbaum.  Make that a big rock too.

The position of GM is a buffer between owner and coach.  They provide the balance between the coach's wish list and the owners pocket book.  Tannenbaum, given credit for being as creative as possible, only ended up creating a mess.  Personally, when I saw Tannenbaum during HBO Hard Knocks delivering the cut/release news to players, I cringed. That shouldn't be a GM stepping into that mix.  That needs to be a coach to deliver the hard news.  Tannie, if you will allow, got the big head syndrome being the GM of the NY Jets.  Had Tannie put more effort into structuring contracts that didn't hold the Jets hostage - even more, reminding Ryan that ** maybe** they should draft an OLineman in the first round, or second, or third, (I'm exaggerating, but you get my point), perhaps things would have worked out differently than watching Sanchez dissolve into a tragically comedic error laced season, culminating in the butt fumble.

Rex Ryan, as much as I like the guy, bears responsibility as well.  He allowed the offense to shift from having a stable of talented play makers (and OL) surrounding Sanchez - that didn't require Sanchez throwing the ball more than he handed it off.  Then to make matters worse, rather than patch up whatever differences he has with Cam Cameron, he hired Tony Sporano.  That just made things worse because I don't believe Sporano tailored the offense in mind to the players he actually had.  At one point during the 2012 season Sporano's play calling rhythm reminded me of watching my son play Madden.  Just throwing plays out there that made no sense given down and distance - much less the tempo of the game. That was disaster that Ryan needed to eat.

At the end of rope that chokes the Jets organization is Woody Johnson himself.  His idea of bringing in Tim Tebow for "marketing" opportunities was moronic.  Tannie, as brash and bold as he was in letting a player go, suddenly swallowed his tongue in telling his boss, Woody, that was a bad idea.  But even more, not even presenting a compelling reason why they shouldn't - which would have been video of Tebow when he did play.  Yes, Tebow won in Denver and yes Tebow beat the Steelers in the playoffs.  But if you dial back and look at film of that season, that was a Pop Warner offense they ran.  Ryan from the start wasn't a supporter of the idea and practically said so - if anyone bother to listen.

The marching orders of an organization start at the top and work their way down.  Clearly defined objectives with a all hands on deck mentality will get it done.  It's doesn't help when you have an owner who thinks he knows more than his coaches (see Jerry Jones) or one that's hands on, but aloof for all the wrong reasons. (see Stephen Ross)

If you're going to blame anyone, start with Woody and work your way down.

PWINGS
PWINGS

@Ciscos Watching Tannenbaum cut players didn't bother me so much on Hard Knocks. When the Bengals were on Hard Knocks a few years ago, they showed some front office flunkie knocking on players' doors @ 5:30am picking up their playbooks and giving them the news. But then Mike Brown has always been a classy guy. 

As for my thoughts on Rex Ryan, read my comment below.

Fifilo
Fifilo

@Ciscos Very well put. When a fish rots it rots from the head.

Ciscos
Ciscos

Sorry for a few errors (missing text) I was typing on my ipad.

tundey
tundey

As bad as Woody might be, a lot of the Jets problems are on Rex Ryan. Put aside the playing-your-starting-qb-in-the-4th-quarter-of-a-preseason-match for a minute, what kind of coaches gets a tattoo of his QB? Especially when the QB is a mediocre one like Sanchez? What message does that send to both Sanchez and the locker room? 

Now back to the fireable offense of playing your starting QB in the 4th quarter of a preseason behind your backup o-line...if I was the owner, I would fire that coach right there and then. No post-game conference when he gets a chance to behave like a child. He's paid a very handsome salary so he doesn't get to be frustrated or behave like a charge during a press conference. If you think your decision was right at the moment, come out and explain your thought process. Even Jim Zorn was better at explaining his trying the swinging-gate play even after the defense had seen it coming....sure we didn't buy his explanation but it was better than what Ryan did.

Finally, was it really necessary for you to reference Rex Ryan's weight loss? If it's not relevant to the story, how about we just leave out the physical references? Thanks.

jmf4
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@tundey If only the Jets problems were as benign as a tattoo of the coach's wife or a silly press conference.

The roster is terrible, in part due to very bad drafting and in part due to cap mismanagement. That's the underlying issue, and it's on Woody, Rex, and Tannenbaum, but it has nothing to do with these tangential stories about tattoos and press conferences.

Ciscos
Ciscos

@jmf4 @tundey ~ JMF4, you're exactly right.  The current state of the Jets fails on the group, with Woody at the head.

tundey
tundey

@jmf4 Am not saying those 2 things are the root cause of their problems. But, look at good organizations, heck look at the average ones and tell me whether or not they have these kinds of nonsense stories going on. It all adds to the circus atmosphere that's the Jets. The butt fumbling, the having 5 QBs this close to the season opener....add all that to the bad drafting and  poor cap management and you have a team that's very toxic. 

Mike N
Mike N

I like when coaches show spirit by wearing a tie that matches their team colors!

jaw117
jaw117

Mr banks you are the problem pal. The media likes nothing better than to write every damn thing that happens to the jets because they are just a magnet for headlines and that's what sells. Your BS negativity like all the other A holes writing about meaningless stuff does nothing for anyone with intelligence. You just love all the negative support you get too from all the trailer park living redneck New York haters of the world. So a player gets hurt in a preseason game and now the circus is back in town? give me a F@#$%%%   break!! Idzik has done an amazing job getting quality players and what about the A + draft they had? Your telling me Geno Smith has added to there QB "mess"? How about congratulating them on a splendid steal in the 2nd round for the best QB talent available.  I am sick of all the Jets haters of this world. Just make sure you keep writing garbage about them when they get back to the AFC Championship game as the real dumpy teams that always suck like Buffalo and Miami and Cleveland sit and fight over who gets the next years best draft pick and don't get a damn thing written negative about them.  Oh and Belichick has way more things to worry about on his team than chuckling about some dumbass article full of NY hatred like this.

tundey
tundey

@jaw117 Really? You want your team to be congratulated for drafting Geno Smith? Did he win a superbowl while I wasn't looking? Did he win ROY? Dude hasn't even played a down of real football and you want congratulations. 

struckanerve9
struckanerve9

@tundey @jaw117 I think congratulations is the wrong word.  I think some credit for getting the drafts top QB (according to just about everyone) in the second round when you need help at the position is not unwarranted and to say the Jets drafts have been bad is actually pretty misleading.  They have had misses (Ducasse  was a huge reach), but they have had plenty of hits, especially on defense.

pval
pval

@jaw117I wouldn't give such a stellar review of Idzik performance as a GM. The Tebow mess is on him (and possibly the franchise owner).

And as for the press being out to get the Jets because they supposedly "hate" NY is a little bit ludicrous. It's mostly the NY local media who play the circling sharks around the wounded whale that is Ryan...so it's not an "anti NY" thing, really.

But here is where you are right : part  of the Jets' troubles lies in that unhealthy relationship that the NY media maintains with the Jets, and  with the NY sports franchises in general :

 too many beat writers are competing to get the "good stuff" and catering to the slightest mood swings of a finicky fan base.

 It's a permanent contest of hyperbole between them : who's gonna fawn the most when things are good, who's gonna be wielding the biggest axe asking for someone's head  when things go bad.

The Knicks and the Nets are also affected. Its no accident that they haven't been in the Finals (let alone win a NBA title) for such a long time.

Every setback becomes a systemic crisis, every mistake is a scandal, nay, an intolerable outrage to the Fans !

Every player who has a good season is branded a World Class Superstar : guess what happens at contract renegotiation time ? 

Every unheralded player showing the slightest sign of promise becomes the second coming of Christ (Jeremy Lin anyone ? only in NY..):

Hype hype hype, all the way, all the time. That makes for great ratings, great paper circulation numbers, great numbers of "pages viewed" on the net..... All at the expense of the teams.

And of course there is no money in being the voice of reason : when it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead, Dude.


So, in a nutshell, NY is the ultimate PR nightmare for sports franchises. It constantly affects their ability to set realistic goals, shortens the rebuilding phases, it puts an inordinate level of pressure on everyone (players, coaches, managers) to perform.

Only the Giants are relatively immune, but they precisely built themselves like a PR fortress, with a dour coach who let nothing out. Still don't you think that the exponential increase of Cruz hat size has something to do with the NY media ? And wait for the bad times, see if there is not a host  of NY media calling Coughlin "out of touch" or "over the Hill" and Eli Manning "an overrated QB whose lucky streak has ended"...

Ryan played the media game, giving them quotes, putting on a show, they laughed, they smiled, they called him a great guy,  and now they are eating him alive as way of  thanking him....

I honestly feel nauseous at the thought that some the guys who are  currently writing character assassination pieces about Ryan, are probably the very same who were fighting with each other to lick his (large) ass two years ago.....

So yeah, if they had any sense of fairness, the NY press corp should take part of the blame for the Jets mishaps. Did I say fairness ? Dream on, pal  ! ..

struckanerve9
struckanerve9

@pval How is the Tebow mess on Idzik?  He wasn't even with the Jets until this year!  And you'll notice, Tebow was promptly sent packing as soon as Idzik walked in the door. 

jmf4
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@pval People forget, but the press was all over Eli and Coughlin the year before they won their first SB and again before they won the second. We heard constantly about how Eli was a turnover machine (he was) and how Coughlin lost the team in a pair of late season collapses. Championships make people forget.

I think this article is dead on - Woody sees himself in the entertainment business instead of the football business. He loves the idea of having the hottest news story, and often that's the biggest name QB of the moment. Brett Favre, Sanchez, Tebow, Geno Smith. It's so predictable. The hiring of Rex himself falls into this same pattern.

I'm generally supportive of both Idzik and Rex, but they are working against both their boss and the media, not to mention 31 other teams.

me1
me1

If a coach can't control his locker room, he isn't a coach. I disagree that Ryan is a good coach. His first 2 seasons (as head coach) were with a team he didn't create. I think he has talent as a defensive coach. I don't think he has what it takes to be a head coach.

ianlinross
ianlinross

Betcha Belichick and his coaches are chuckling at this. What a moron.

rskins09
rskins09

Good article - Don banks hit the nail right on the head ...Know Revis had an astronomical salary  and all that  but think the Jets will regret they traded  the best player on their team ..Before he was hurt , Revis was one of  the top five players in the NFL  .. Great CB  are hard to find in the NFL Draft , just like QB's   

rskins09
rskins09

Never could figure out why the Jets  got Tebow - why? .What was the point , a back up QB ..Drama ? ..And as many teams have (Revis) found out the hard way, you never trade your best player  unless you get a comparable player or a boat load of draft picks ..Hershal Walker trade ...Vikings had egg on there face for years after that  trade ..Good Pro  teams,  whether NFL, MLB, NHL  are like fortune 500 Companies  --- they start  AT  the top ...The Jets new GM seem like he can't  see the forest  for the trees ...Don't wish the Jets any bad luck but they'll probably clean house  at the end of the year ..And Sanchez seems like he regresses  a little every year  and has lost  all of his confidence  ...QB play is  30 %  mental  .. Know the constant  pounding, sacks don't help his psyche ..    

PWINGS
PWINGS

@rskins09 I thought the article was spot on regarding a number of points. I've said for two years that Woodie deserves much of the blame for the Sanchez train wreck. When they drafted Sanchez (two rounds too early IMO), it was widely reported how Woodie had fallen in love with Sanchez and envisioned him as the Latin Joe Namath.

As for your comment, rskins09, here are my thoughts:

1) They signed Tebow to create some competition with Sanchez in hopes of motivating Sanchez to show a more professional work ethic. Of course, in order to accomplish that, they needed to coach and play Tebow which they didn't.

2) Revis was creating serious salary cap issues within the team forcing them to cut some veteran leaders like Lavernius Coles and Tony Richardson to make room for Revis as they did a couple of years ago on Hard Knocks. As good as he is, Revis was a divisive element on the team who clearly expected two sets of rules and he became an expensive distraction. Signing Sanchez to the extension with the undeserved guaranteed money just exasperated the problem. There was no way they could keep both. I would've traded Revis too just for the cap relief if nothing else.

3) The Jets' GM has already started the housecleaning with the Revis trade. Rex is next, at season's end, when his contract expires and probably Sanchez too unless Smith is a bust or gets hurt.

4) Part of the reason for Sanchez regression is his poor work ethic. But a contributing factor is the Jets' constant changes in offensive schemes and coordinators. Sanchez hasn't had enough time in any one scheme to really master it. And you're right, rskins09, his confidence is suffering badly especially as their running game and lack of quality wide receivers worsens. If their defense fails, they ARE playing for the # 1 pick next April!


liquidmuse3
liquidmuse3

AW. poor guy. Had a player who was better than HIS player (Sanchez) in the two key measurables (winning % & QB rating), & had just posted a 1-1 record in the playoffs in his 15th & 16th starts...AND REFUSES TO PLAY HIM. ZERO sympathy for this jackass, riding Mark Sanchez all the way down the drain. 

& the funny thing is, if Geno Smith brought this team to a 1-1 playoff record in his 1st starting year in his 2nd offense, he'd be crowned a major success...yet Tebow can't even make it out of practice in a Ryan regime.

pval
pval

@liquidmuse3 Oh pleaaase !! Not a Tebow groupie again !! 

Not playing Tebow was probably one the (few) things Ryan got right last season !

 Tim Tebow couldn't hold on to the starting job or even a number 2 spot in Denver and now he can't even beat Nick Mallet to the number 2 slot in New England.

Come on !



liquidmuse3
liquidmuse3

@pval The hell are you talking about? I love how I cite straight facts, & all you have is "groupie!". Pathetic.

How is playing a guy with a lesser QB rating the right call? Please explain that...or else, why the hell do we even rate the QBs? & Tebow took a team that had just went 4-18 to a 9-7 record & the playoffs, beating the #1 pass defense in the 1st playoff game. Instead of that, you're voting for being out of the playoffs, just like Ryan did when he stuck with Sanchez.

& PEYTON MANNING became available, & John Elway didn't draft Tim Tebow...any GM in his right mind takes Peyton Manning over anybody except for about 5 QBs. Yet to you, this is Tebow's failure. & just like Elway did with Brandon Lloyd & Kyle Orton, he gave Tebow a chance to be a starter somewhere else when he didn't have a starter spot for him anymore.

& who's Nick Mallet? Did you know what you're talking about that whole rant? You mean Ryan Mallett, who Belichick drafted, & has been in the system going on 3 years. Of course Tebow will start off #3 on the depth chart in that scenario.

Come on?

liquidmuse3
liquidmuse3

@struckanerve9 @liquidmuse3 @pval There's 3 types of people in the Tebow debate---those who are associated with Florida, so they knew of him...those who are Christians...& those who are irked because his media coverage is not equal to his production. (I'm in the 1st camp)

If you really think a cogent argument is "he sucks" when I present facts saying how's he's not *great*, but he doesn't suck...then you're just strangely angry & a little hopeless to talk to. If a guy is as inaccurate as Tebow is, HE'S THROWING PICKS LEFT & RIGHT...yet, he doesn't do that, because not throwing INT. is one of the reasons why he's successful, & the Carson Palmers & Matt Staffords of the world are not.

Of course he's struggling to make the roster in NE...they keep 2 QBs generally, this is his 4th offense in 4 years, & he's played a grand total of a few quarters of football with them. If he doesn't play well tonight, he probably doesn't deserve to make that team, in terms of his performance. 

Because he didn't put up the #'s this preseason, i.e., FACTS...unlike an 100+ rating in the 4th quarter in his career...like an almost perfect rating in his 1st playoff game against the best pass defense...like having a rating one point under Andrew Luck. "Sucks" only works as a fact if you use those eyes, & watch every snap he's played, just about...& then you'd see he outperformed Peyton Manning in the same conference...has a better QB rating than Elway & Manning did after 16 starts...& he had a decent rating (82) in 2010 in the one offense where it wasn't "3 yards & a cloud of dust" (the offense the mediocre John Fox forced on him...save the 4th quarter). Tebow was voted twice the most popular athlete in America...if he's not your clear-cut starter, YOU DON'T BRING HIM IN...& every team either had a clear-cut starter, or a new GM/coach who wanted his own guy, or needed to justify a 1st round pick (Ponder, Weeden, Gabbert). Sorry if you're so irrationally pissed you think "sucks" is an acceptable adult argument in a debate.

struckanerve9
struckanerve9

@liquidmuse3 @pval Here's a "straight fact" for you...Tebow sucks.  The guy only kept his INTs down when he was starting for Denver because he could barely hit the FIELD.  Now he's struggling to make the roster in New England and was completely passed over by every other team in the NFL and Canada.  Take your "he beat the Stealers" and "oh man he was a beast in college" elsewhere.  Like every GM in the NFL, I have eyes.  He isn't good.  He's not even mediocre. 

pval
pval

@liquidmuse3 @pval  


Get real !  QB ratings and past performance  don't mean much if what you see day in day out at practice over an ENTIRE SEASON of football does not convince you that a player is going to get you more than the one who currently holds the job. 

If Tebow couldn't displace a horrid Sanchez, what does it say about Tebow ?

There are those who believe that  Ryan is an Evil Guy refusing to give the job to the best player just because......well basically because Ryan, as  Evil Guys do,  has suddenly made is life's goal to thwart the career of  a Good Guy like Tebow.  

 I say to them  : you are out of your mind !!

 In such a leaky organisation as the Jets, secrets don't remain secrets very long. Had Tebow  played the light outs in practice  while Sanchez was kept on the field, losing game after game on Sundays, some players, sick and tired of losing, would have leaked it to the press. 

And do you really believe that Idzik and "Woody" would have kept their peace and not ORDERED Ryan to play Tebow?

Whatever you may think about the people in the NFL ONE thing remains a constant : They HATE losing. The whole Jets could be a coven of Satanists they would have started the Good Christian QB had it meant a better chance of winning.

 And moreover, it loses them money !!!!  a lot of money : bad stats for the players, bad ratings decreases attendance  for the franchise. This affects plenty of people financially, and when money talks, bullshit walks !!

So yeah, Rex Ryan might be a bad head coach but he would not have hesitated ONE SECOND to bench Sanchez and start Tebow if the latter had shown he could play substantially better.

As for the Denver episode,  I said Tebow couldn't hold to the number TWO spot. See ? I considered as a given that once Manning was signed he would be the starter.

What was highly significant  was how little effort (if any) the Broncos made to try and retain Tebow as a BACKUP. After all, at the time, nobody knew if Manning could really play again. In these particular circumstances wouldn't you want to have a strong backup who was already with the team and with a winning season under his belt ? Normally, quite the perfect situation, isn't it ?

 Unless they made the determination that this winning season was more a fluke than anything else and saw the opportunity to get rid of a liability.... And they almost couldn't find a taker....another highly significant clue about Tebow real value as a QB.

In the end the Broncos could rely on the Jets to take the bait...but this screw-up was on Woody and Idzik, NOT on Ryan.

So now, as a final clue of Tebow's irrelevance as a QB, he can't pass Ryan Mallett (yeah, I messed up with Nick, a SA rugby coach, sue me) on the depth chart of the Pat !!

So now he firmly holds the number 3 spot in a team that, more often than not, chooses to have only TWO QBs on its 53 men roster..... I rest my case.

So you can say a LOT of things about Ryan's shortcomings as the Jets coach, but not playing Tebow is NOT one of them !!!


hight
hight

Woody Johnson and Arte Moreno competing for the Al Davis award this year

geoAZ
geoAZ

@hight You obviously haven't studied history, Al Davis was a genius GM and Owner !!

TheRealSheizman
TheRealSheizman

@geoAZ @hight Back in the 60's and 70's, before he lost his mind. Al Davis was an insane old lunatic, holding onto his outdated ideas that you get a bunch of fast thugs, throw them on the field together, and they start winning. Gruden got him a championship 10 years ago by doing it the smart way and promptly left for TB. The Raiders went back to the Davis way. Which will get you 4-12 or 3-13 in perpetuity.   

geraldr5
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SUPERB ANALYSIS! All nails hit squarely on the head. Ryan has no chance. Sanchez has no chance. The best thing that could happen to Mark would be to be traded to a team that has a decent coach, an offensive line, receivers who can run patterns and catch, and backs who can run and take the pressure off the passing game. As of now, it's all a disaster (for Jet fans) in the making. Ryan deserves better. Sanchez deserves better. Fans? Well, I guess they do, too!!!

rainman
rainman

No matter who coaches the jests, they will always be the jests

westcoastbias
westcoastbias

Made some sense for Idzik to keep Ryan for the last year of his contract.  1) saved money, but even more:  2) allows the collapse to complete on Ryan's record, rather than the first year of Idzik's new hire - thus reducing pressure on both of them as it's going to be easy to look like an improvement after this.  Just logical long term New York thinking...

PWINGS
PWINGS

@westcoastbias I agree with everything you said up until the last sentence which seems like an oxymoron!

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