12’s the Magic Number

Ten Things I Think I Think

1.  I think this is what I liked about Week 2:

a. The NFL Matchup Show on ESPN, which had this bit of prescience from Ron Jaworski Sunday on Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III: “His mechanics are flawed right now because of the injury.” Which is what Jon Gruden said during the Monday Night Football telecast in Week 1. Griffin doesn’t fully plant his right leg—with the knee that had surgery. And that prevents him from getting full velocity on his throws.

b. John Elway taking time from his Denver duties to drive 70 minutes north of the Meadowlands to see Stanford-Army Saturday afternoon in West Point. He’s a good alum.

c. Good Sunday column, as usual, by Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston, recalling his first-guessing at the Patriots letting Danny Woodhead go to San Diego in free-agency for two years and $3.5 million. In the annals of recent free-agency decisions made, this was one of the big swings and misses for New England.

d. Chicago cornerback Tim Jennings, with a blanket job on Greg Jennings of the Vikes.

e. Devin Hester, playing like Devin Hester.

f. Rookie safety Earl Wolff of the Eagles, breaking up what would have been a touchdown pass from Philip Rivers to Antonio Gates with a great end-zone strip of Gates.

g. Mike Wallace won’t be moaning about much this morning. Nine catches, 115 yards, and the Dolphs are 2-0.

h. Look at the two-point conversion run by Arian Foster, enabling Houston to force overtime against Tennessee. That’s why Foster is so good. He was stopped, and made a second and third effort to reach the ball out over the goal line. Superb play by Foster.

2.  I think this is what I didn’t like about Week 2:

a. The receivers’ hands in Foxboro Thursday night.

b. Geno Smith’s fourth-quarter efficiency.

c. Dallas center Travis Frederick, with a whiff block on Kansas City’s Dontari Poe. Poe destroyed Tony Romo for a sack.

d. Washington cornerback David Amerson, for his casual coverage on James Jones—and then for getting away with a hold on Jones, and then … well, lets just say this about the rookie: Of the nine early games Sunday, he had the worst day of any cornerback. Easy.

e. While we’re on the trail of Washington goats, Josh Morgan deflecting an easy catch from Robert Griffin III into an interception didn’t exactly help the cause Sunday in Green Bay.

f. Corner route in Buffalo. Two seconds left. Game on the line. Stevie Johnson runs into the end zone and … no one covers him. One of the two Carolina defensive backs who both turned away from Johnson to cover the inside guy, Josh Norman or D.J. Moore, should wear the goat horns this morning in Charlotte. Huge, huge mistake.

g. Why, oh why, is a nose tackle like Ian Williams, who had his ankle broken from a blindside, in-line block he never saw coming, not a defenseless player?

h. Do the right thing, Competition Committee: Make it illegal for an offensive player to block below the waist when a defensive player can’t see it coming.

i. This from my buddy Elliott Kalb in the Sunday Night studio: Bill Parcells’ 1990 Super Bowl champs had 14 turnovers all season. The 2013 Giants have 10 after two weeks.

3. I think Jacksonville’s the worst team in the league, and it’s not close. It’s taken only eight quarters to prove it definitively.

ICYMI

Highlights from the last week at The MMQB:


The Colin & Clay Show

—The MMQB Staff


The Chip Kelly Era Takes Off

—Peter King


D.J. Hayden’s Heart Is In the Game

—Robert Klemko


Now the Schedule Gets Real

—Andy Staples


Plenty of Denial, but No Discipline, in Detroit

—Don Banks


The Read-Option As We Know It Is Dead

—Andy Benoit


Oz the Great and Powerful

—Greg A. Bedard


Pocket Change

—Jim Trotter


From Savior to Backup Plan

—Andrew Brandt


Slow Getting Up

—Nate Jackson

4. I think the complaints about the NFL’s new small-bag policy have been coming in, including one from The MMQB staff writer Robert Klemko’s grandmother, Barbara. Thought I’d give her an airing here, to represent a load of fans unhappy with the new bag rule.

Dear Mr. Goodell.

As a matter of introduction I must tell you first that I am not a football fan; I am an Oakland Raiders fan. I attended the very first game in 1960 with my son and daughter, when the team was made up of junior college players and local high school standouts. I’ve been to at least one game every year since, and though I live in Maryland today, I fly to Oakland to attend half of the home games each year.

I was at the Raiders’ first game in 1962. After church, I brought my son, 10, and my daughter, 6, to the games with our lunches in picnic baskets. If rain or cold weather was expected, we packed our umbrellas and jackets—the essentials. Over the next few years, as the landscape of our society shifted and produced security concerns, and NFL teams sought revenue by limiting the items allowed in the stadium and selling substitutes in the building, I rolled with the punches.

This no-large-bag policy, however, is a haymaker. I suppose it is the reaction to the bombing in Boston, and the feeling is that we need to give fans a sense of security. But how much safer are we? Let’s be honest: There’s one hundred ways to bring a gun or a knife into an NFL stadium, and no clear bag is going to stop that. If two boys can sneak into the Super Bowl and make a YouTube video documenting it, I’m pretty sure someone can sneak a weapon in. Any security measure short of stadium metal detectors is contribution to a false sense of safety that is dangerous in itself.

Yet the NFL insists on small, clear bags. That way security can see all of the contents at a glance (and so can everyone else). I’m a 79-year-old woman, and I carry a variety of items I don’t need the world knowing about. For instance, if I don’t need the collapsible walking cane I brought just in case, do I really want the senior gentleman sitting next to me to know I have a walking cane? NO! Plus the size of the bag simply doesn’t allow for everything necessary for the fan experience. I wear my sunglasses and I need the case to place them in when the sun goes down. I love taking pictures, but the camera will not fit in the clutch. My seats are in the shade, so even though it starts off hot, as evening approaches, I need a jacket. I sit in a section that leaks in my lap if it rains, so I need some rain protection. When it is cool or it is a night game (we don’t have any this year), I need a blanket.

Under the new rules, I will have to wear a jacket I may not need, throw a blanket over my shoulder, carry my walking cane, camera and eye glass case in my clear plastic bag and put my identity, credit cards, health insurance, cell phone and money in my clutch purse if they will fit. That’s ridiculous! I love going to Raiders games and sharing them with my friends and family. I’ll be attending as long as the team is in Oakland and I can still walk (and maybe for a few more years after that). No stadium security policy is going to hold me back. But Mr. Goodell, I need to bring along a bag that is large enough to hold my things and not see-through. I promise I will not hurt anyone!!!

5.  I think Washington safety Brandon Meriweather can get his checkbook out this morning. He’s going to be the first player fined under the new crown-of-the-helmet rule, and it could be a doozy. (Amazing no player was flagged for this in the season’s first 82 games, including preseason ones.) Meriweather lowered his head and slammed into Green Bay running back Eddie Lacy, clipping him with the crown of the helmet into Lacy’s helmet and then into Lacy’s chest. Lacy was left woozy, and departed with a concussion. The rule: No player outside the in-line tackle box can lower his head and deliver a blow with the crown of the helmet. This most often would be called on an offensive player, usually a running back, using the crown of his helmet as a battering ram against a defender to push him backward and gain more yards. But it can be called on any player who leads with the crown of the helmet, and Meriweather’s violation looked textbook to me.

6. I think the good will of the Panthers’ 5-1 finish in 2012 has vanished. Cam Newton is 13-21 as a starting quarterback, and the Panthers played it safe at the end of regulation in Buffalo, helping the Bills rally at the end. It’s not going to be a friendly crowd in Charlotte Sunday when the Giants come to town.

7. I think, in the wake of one of the most bizarre endings to a football game ever (Wisconsin-Arizona State, at 2 a.m. ET Sunday), I want to perform a public service for the Wisconsin coaching staff. Read this story from The MMQB in August. It centers on Arizona Cardinals coach Bruce Arians coaching the minutiae to his young players. Never assume your players know all the rules, or will execute them properly. And remember Arians’ words: “There are no little things. The little things are all big things.” The little things cost the Badgers a game when their quarterback, Joe Stave, placed a ball down on the field, thinking he was downing it in good position to kick a game-winning field goal. But it happened so fast—even though Stave had time to kneel and put the ball down properly—that the officials and Sun Devil players weren’t sure what happened, and some ASU players flopped on the ball as the clock continued to run, and expire. Stave needed to make it clear he was kneeling down and giving himself up, and it happened so fast no one could tell what he was doing. You can blame the officials, who were indecisive, but Stave has to execute the play with enough time on the clock and set Wisconsin up for the field goal.

8. I think the NFL is operating under this false pretense: a hit out of bounds necessitates a $7,000 fine. There is no conceivable way that the Lavonte David hit on Geno Smith just barely out of bounds in Week 1—the hit that was flagged on the field for unnecessary roughness and ended up costing the Bucs the game—should be a fineable hit. Hits drawing fines should be violent and/or flagrant hits on players, not hits that were marginal penalties in the first place.

9. I think—no, I know—that Josh Freeman was not one of the top two vote-getters to be named a Bucs offensive captain. When the Bucs elected their captains, the vote came right after Freeman’s oversleeping and missing the team photo, and he probably wouldn’t have won it anyway because of the team-wide respect for winners Davin Joseph and Vincent Jackson. But stories circulated that coach Greg Schiano cooked the vote to make sure Freeman—allegedly not one of Schiano’s favorites—wouldn’t be one of the two captains. A trusted source says that absolutely didn’t happen. So put that story to bed. Not that it matters much; Freeman’s not going to be the Tampa Bay quarterback much longer if he continues to lose (the Bucs are 1-7 in his last eight starts, and in their last eight games) and complete 54 percent of his throws (his completion percentage since the start of the 2012 season). People, I believe, are getting this wrong, about Schiano having it in for Freeman. He doesn’t. Schiano’s a performance guy. When you lose seven of eight and oversleep for the team photo after a so-so offseason, Schiano’s not going to be a fan. Has nothing to do with a personality conflict. It’s a performance conflict.

10. I think these are my non-NFL thoughts of the week:

a. What an immense tragedy in Colorado. So sad for all the people whose lives have been unalterably affected by the flooding there.

b. Saw something I’d never seen before, at any level of football: a timeout called at halftime. Well, almost. Army came out for the start of the third quarter, took the field, and the quarterback called a timeout.

c. Touching display at Rutgers Saturday, with the retirement of Eric LeGrand’s No. 52. LeGrand says he is convinced that with faith and research, he will walk again after being paralyzed on the field in a game against Army in 2010. “Help me get back on my feet again,’’ he said in a plea to the crowd. “Believe! It’s in me and it’s in you guys too.”

d. Big week for John Legend. First he announces himself as a Bengals fan in The MMQB. Then he gets married. Congrats, John and Chrissy Teigen. And you got a nice trip to Lake Como out of it, too. That’s where they were married Saturday.

Talk Back

Have a question or comment for Peter? Email him at talkback@themmqb.com and it might be included in Tuesday's mailbag.

e. Can some doctor out there tell me why the University of Minnesota should keep Jerry Kill coaching football after his fourth seizure in three years on a Gopher game day? I don’t want to be insensitive. I’d really like to know if it makes sense to keep him on as coach.

f. Red Sox reliever Koji Uehara has faced 37 batters in the past month. He has retired all 37. Three of the 37 have hit the ball into the outfield. Sixteen have struck out.

g. Has a reliever in major-league history had a better month? Probably. I just don’t know who it would be, or when. To retire 37 in a row, with 34 not getting the ball out of the infield, is quite a feat.

h. C.C. Sabathia, 4.90 ERA. C.C. Sabathia, owed $96 million over the next four seasons.

i. Congrats, Todd Helton, on a great career, and good luck in retirement. Love it when a guy plays his entire career with a team he loves, and Helton loves the Rockies.

j. Helton hasn’t been great for five or six years, but he had a better career than you thought. Better career on-base percentage than Albert Pujols (.415 to .410), more hits than Mickey Mantle (2,505 to 2,415), more homers than Yogi Berra (367 to 358), more doubles than Tony Gwynn (585 to 543), better on-base-plus-slugging-percentage than Alex Rodriquez (.954 to .944), and a better lifetime batting average than Derek Jeter (.317 to .312).

k. Beernerdness: I’ve become a big fan of Brewmaster Jack beers, from Holyoke, Mass. Just tried another of their ales, Aquila Pale Ale. Lighter than most ales, with a malty flavor. Very easy to drink, and tasty.

l. Coffeenerdness: One thing I don’t understand about baristas. I bring a re-useable grande cup into Starbucks and order a macchiato. Most often, the baristas take a short cup, line it up under the espresso filters, and push the button. The espresso flows into the cup, and the barista pours the espresso on top of the milk in the cup. Then the barista tosses the cup away. There are two other ways to do this—either by pouring the shots directly into the glass shot cups, or by having the shots flow directly into the cup filled two-thirds with milk. Instead, there’s a wasted paper cup. Time to issue a memo to baristas, Seattle.

m. Jeff Garlin wrote a 10 Things I Think for The MMQB, and you’ll read it this week. Attention Curb fans: there’s some stuff in their about the future of the show.

n. Not that we’re drooling for Larry David to get back on the set for Curb Your Enthusiasm or anything.

o. I guess I have made a big mistake (my first). Never watched Breaking Bad. You know that feeling when everyone says you’ve got to watch a show, and you’re so far behind, and you throw your hands up in the air and say, “I’ll never catch up?” That’s me and Breaking Bad.

p. Re SI’s Oklahoma State story. I like Jeff Pearlman’s take.

q. One point about scandals when they’re reported: Do you think when the heat hits, most people who act as sources, either on or off the record, are going to say, “Yup, I told this reporter there was bad stuff going on?’’ No. Most are going to say, “I was taken out of context,’’ or “I was misquoted.” We see this in controversial stories all the time.

Who I Like Tonight

Cincinnati 20, Pittsburgh 16. It’s not a pleasant Monday night facing Geno Atkins for anyone, but a week ago, Fernando Velasco was on the street looking for work, having been cut by the Titans, and now Velasco replaces Kelvin Beachum as the Steeler center. In Cincinnati, where, presumably, the crowd will make it difficult for the Steelers to make their usual line calls, complicating matters for a center in his first game. Now, the center doesn’t have primary responsibility on Atkins, obviously. But even if Velasco has to block or combo-block Atkins only 40 or 50 percent of the game, the new kid on the block will still have a strong nose man, Domata Peko, to contend with on the other plays. The line is a major Steelers concern, particularly with a poor running game. Last season, when the Bengals went to Pittsburgh and won in December, Ben Roethlisberger had his only multiple-interception game of the season (two) and his lowest passer rating (58.6) of the year. And now he’s without his center, the pivot of his offensive line, his comfort zone among the linemen. Edge to the Bengals there, and maybe a big edge.

Andy Benoit analyzes the Steelers-Bengals MNF matchup here.

The Adieu Haiku

Manziel strafes Saban.
Again. I see in Cleveland
Furrowed brows by Browns.

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412 comments
GAML
GAML

The article is about the Seahawks and the 12th man an most of the replies are about lame teams with dismal performances. 

RickGiberson
RickGiberson

Redskins should change their name to the Hogs,  Have a pig in a tux for a logo with a monocle in his eye  and a top hat!

BlaineWest
BlaineWest

Green Bay only at 12 in the Fine Fifteen? You might want to check the alcohol content of some of that brew you enjoy sipping Peter!

bryanflyn
bryanflyn

Peter,  go ahead and catch up with Breaking Bad - it's worth it.  I challenge you to watch the first episode (pilot), they're all on Netflix,  you'll be hooked!

jleland42
jleland42

Check the history; a team Peter King didn't mention in his MMQB will win the Super Bowl this year. It's a lock.

bulltorch
bulltorch

this whole breaking the record is not as impressive.. because the record they had broken was not contrived... it was actually during a game... where seattle's was them planning to yell at the top of their lungs....

lmb2171
lmb2171

what happened to the mailbag?  I haven't seen it the last 1 or 2 weeks.  Did it go away?  Get renamed?  

adamnicholls183
adamnicholls183

Can someone on Twitter ask Peter King to do some research and come back to us on the epilepsy issue.

I note the Mailbag is for Tw@tter users only which is a shame because I refuse to use that when I am on Facebook already!

JustinRitzel
JustinRitzel

Yeah the Packers ranking is a real head scratcher here. I think Peter is basing his rankings a little too much on a given team's record and not on actual play. Sure, they are 1-1, which is not as good as some other teams. But in their loss they went toe to toe with the defending NFC champs, and in their win they throttled a team from last year. Not to mention, they have the best QB in football right now, and the #1 offense after two weeks.You would think that garners a little more respect. 

Redtheidiot
Redtheidiot

Peter, how about an explanation from the league why the officials didn't call illegal formation on the last play of CHI-MN game.  Not that it will help but at least I would like to hear it.

Shane Mac
Shane Mac

Mr. King:  Here is the answer to your dilemma regarding taking offense at the team named Redskins.  It's simple.  Just substitute "Pig" for "Red" and call them the Pigskins.  It works well for this team with the Hogs in their cheering section and "pigskin" being a connotation for a football.  I doubt if the entire porcine community will be offended although they may raise a stink from time to time.

Shane Mac
Shane Mac

A few things, regarding the Wisky - AZ State game, you are correct in pointing out the problems at the end of the game.  But you said QB Stave downed the ball thinking he was positioning it for a last second FG but did it so quickly that the officials weren't sure what happened.  Wrong, Mr. King.  When Stave knelt and put the ball on the turf the whistle immediately sounded by the ref making it a dead ball.  The official closest to the ball just looked at the AZ State DL laying on the ball with his finger up his butt.  It should have been a delay of game penalty on AZ State.  I think Stave should have handed the ball to the closest official (as Coach Arians preached to his players in the MMQB story) but the real error is by the referee not taking control of the situation immediately.  

I tried to watch the replay on your page but got a black screen with the message:  "...this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement."  What's up with that?

Kudos on the tribute to Todd Helton - the great Rockie and Peyton Manning's punter at Tennessee.

Non- kudos to you listing the Packers at #12 and also making James Jones an offensive player on the week he did have a fine game)  but not putting Aaron Rodgers in that spot is a fail on your part. 


BY
BY

Horrible reason for picking Greg Schiano as goat of the week, horrible. Ever seen a punt blocked/bad snap/return for a td? If he makes the FG then Brees needs a td. Those are the breaks and no coach, not even the sainted one (Bill Belichick) can predict them. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in this column.

doowopdave
doowopdave

Your rankings are a complete joke. The Packers nearly beat last year's NFC champs in San Francisco to open the season, absolutely crushed last year's NFC East champs yesterday, and you have them ranked 12? The 49ers barely get past the Packers in week 1, get clobbered by Seattle last night, and you rank them 3rd? You either haven't watched the last 2 Packer games or you are a complete idiot to think there are currently 11 other teams playing better ball than the Packers right now. I agree with your 1-3 rankings and would put the Packers 4.

UNDEJS30
UNDEJS30

I know I am echoing some other posters in saying this, but what is Peter King smoking DROPPING the Packers 6 spots after one of the most dominating offensive performances in NFL HISTORY??  Let's briefly review the season up to this point.  The Packers lose a thriller of a game, ON THE ROAD, to the defending NFC champions while missing two starters in the secondary who happen to be their top safety and top slot CB (Hmmm...wonder how Boldin and V.Davis were so dominant in the slot??)  Even with that obstacle, it was a game that went down to the wire, with GB leading halfway through the 4th quarter.  The Packers bounce back the next week by sprinting out to a 31-0 lead against 2012 playoff team Washington midway through the 3rd quarter before coasting the rest of the way. En route to this blowout, they become the first team in NFL HISTORY to have a 450 yard passer and 125 yard rusher in the SAME game...the QB (Rodgers) becomes only the second player in NFL HISTORY (along with Hall of Famer Y.A. Tittle in 1962) to throw for at least 475 yards and 4 TD's without a pick. The Packers are one of the oldest teams in the NFL with a history that goes back over 90 years, and Rodgers ties the record for most yards in franchise history (and this game actually mattered unlike the previous 480 yard game with nothing at stake).  They also have a 100 yard rusher for the first time in 44 games, snapping the longest streak in the NFL for that (and it wasn't close).  With ALL these developments in clear view, and considering how SF only dropped to #3 in the rankings after getting THROTTLED in a non-competitive game to their arch rival, HOW can you justify dropping Green Bay ONE spot (let alone 6???)  How can you say 11 teams in the league are better than the team who just put on one of the most impressive offensive displays in league history?  You can't say the defense justifies the drop in the rankings, because the defense had given up 0 points midway through the 3rd quarter and were holding their end of the bargain....this just shows the list has NO thought  put into it.  It is just someone claiming to be an "expert" throwing garbage against the wall at random while not actually watching the games of the teams he attempts to rank.

On a related note, I LOVE James Jones, he is a great WR....but how is he the offensive player of the week over Rodgers?  Jones did not score a TD and he fumbled the ball into the endzone, costing the Packers a TD while giving the Skins the ball on the 20.  Rodgers, meanwhile, was breaking records and played flawlessly.  Tell me again how Jones is the offensive player of the week?  That makes no sense...Jordy Nelson had 2 TD's, Cobb had 9 catches, over 100 yards, and a TD...and Starks broke the 44 game streak while averaging over 6 yards per carry and scoring a TD of his own....Again, it is nonsense.  Rodgers didn't even get a mention for his historic feats beyond briefly pointing out his two game averages so far this year. Pick it up, Mr. King.  I usually enjoy reading your work, but this week's column really has shaken my trust and confidence in your credibility.  I'm not saying GB should be #1, but no reasonable person would drop them 6 spots after the performance they had.

FrankStrazzulla
FrankStrazzulla

dont know which Seattle crowd is tougher: the Seahawks or Sounders?  Imagine if you imported the end-zone fans at the Soundsrs to the Seahawks?

ianlinross
ianlinross

I think Manziel is a throw-back. Kind of a Bobby Lane type of player. He's young, famous, a competitor, and he's going to enjoy himself. And he's not going to do things the NCAA's way. If he matures and grows into a well-rounded player, he's going to win somebody a Super Bowl. 

In the meantime, I hope somebody gives him Brett Favre's number for special counselling.

MatthewCortina
MatthewCortina

Green Bay throttles Washington and drops from 6 to 12? I get RG3 is struggling but you can only play who you play. Houston struggling two weeks in a row, Miami at 4??, San Diego?!, Cincinatti could be 0-2 after tonight! All ahead of GB in these polls. I'm not saying they're #1 but jeez...

leehwgoc
leehwgoc

As for Manziel, people are giving him too much automatic, sole credit for what MIKE EVANS actually made possible for him against Bama.

Evans was the real star of the Aggie offense last Saturday.  The Bama DBs absolutely could not cover him AT ALL, and it allowed Manziel to pad his stats after those two game-changing picks he threw (those interceptions are basically why the Aggies lost).

leehwgoc
leehwgoc

So how are you feeling about picking the Pats for the Super Bowl (again) this year, King?

Still scratching my head over that one.  Mystifying how you believed a team that relies on an offense which lost Welker and Hernandez, and will subsequently rely on rookie starters and a notoriously injury prone #1 receiver replacement in their absence, will somehow be *better* than last year's team.

I used to argue against your perceived Patriots bias, but after that preseason prediction, I'm having to reevaluate you.

Hawk29
Hawk29

@bulltorch actually if you they had been reading the decibels during Beastmodes run, or when Romo fumbled in the play offs that  the record was broken then.  Also, it had to be spontaneous and they couldn't put on the board to make noise now, which is why the official record didn't happen until the 3rd quarter. 

Adrian4
Adrian4

@bulltorch Actually this was far more organic than the previous record. That was done at a soccer game in Turkey where the crowd was specifically told when to yell at the top of their lungs. I was at the Seahawks game, there was never any written or audio announcement in the stadium about the record. The 136.6 decibels just came on a regular defensive play.

djs425
djs425

@bulltorch actually it was contrived but even if it wasnt, it still counts. Tell Guinness what their criteria is though. I'm sure they'll laugh at you

Mike26
Mike26

@JustinRitzel The Packers are the bestest team ever all the time and should always be #1.

nyjets011269
nyjets011269

@BY Totally agree.  A kicker should be able to nail a 47 yard FG.  

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@doowopdave So they lost one and won one, they're 1-1. Was that your point? Or was it that they have lost two in a row to the same team that was just clobbered by someone else?

Mike26
Mike26

@doowopdave The Packers are the bestest team ever and should always be #1.

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@UNDEJS30 There are fewer things as pathetic as someone getting so bent out of shape by a few spots on someone's 'Top 15" list that they write a book about it. Lame. Get over it. Green Bay may have had a good game, but they scare no one.

adamnicholls183
adamnicholls183

@UNDEJS30 excellent comments. Let him and the other so called experts under rate us, we can have the last laugh when we beat the Media darling Peyton Manning and the Broncos in NYC.

patsfan94
patsfan94

@leehwgoc No, their defense giving up 10 yards a play was why the Aggies lost.

gbgentleman
gbgentleman

@Redtheidiot @Shane Mac Currently the Redskins should keep the name...I mean I'm be ashamed (and blushing red) if I played as badly as they did in the last couple of weeks.

benseattle
benseattle

@Redtheidiot @Shane Mac  

Excellent post.  If you like fact-free, don't-bother-with-reason, skip-the-cogent-arguement mindlessness demonstrated here.  THIS topic is why "Washington Redkins" isn't immediately banned and if not, then does that make the New York Niggers okay with you and the rest of the NFL?

FrankStrazzulla
FrankStrazzulla

@Redtheidiot @FrankStrazzulla have you ever watched a Sounders game?  they average 45,000 per game and have had recent sellout crowds....in other words, please know what you are talking about before shooting off your mouth!

adamnicholls183
adamnicholls183

I agree as of today, but one has to support his team until the bitter end

Hawk29
Hawk29

@evileyefleagle Boeing was headquartered in Seattle since World War 2, but about a decade ago they moved to Chicago.  They still employ more people in the state of Washington than any where else, so while their office is in Chicago now because of the tax breaks, we still take pride in Boeing as a major employer.

evileyefleagle
evileyefleagle

I looked up Boeing.  They're listed as a Chicago firm.

I also looked up Lombardi and World Series Trophies.  Seattle's not listed.

benseattle
benseattle

@Joebuckster @FrankStrazzulla @Redtheidiot  

Man, do I love a public display of ignorance.  If you need to find Seattle, just look up Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, Costco, Nordstrom, Weyerhaeuser and Boeing.  When you're bored (or "starved") head to the symphony, ballet, Bumbershoot or Hempfest.  Try the Mariners (better yet, don't.) 

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

@FrankStrazzulla @Redtheidiot Soccer sucks, that's why he doesn't know (or care) what you are talking about. Just like the rest of us. Seattle is just starved for entertainment, obviously. Where is Seattle again, by the way??

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