Incognito and Martin: An Insider’s Story

Former Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Lydon Murtha pulls back the curtain on what he saw and what he’s heard of the relationship between Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin, from the locker room dynamic to that now-famous O-line trip to Vegas

Lydon Murtha (Cliff Welch/Icon SMI)
Lydon Murtha, who played for the Dolphins from 2009 to ’12, is adamant that Richie Incognito never bullied Jonathan Martin. (Cliff Welch/Icon SMI)

By Lydon Murtha

I don’t have a dog in this fight.

I want that to be very clear. I played offensive tackle for the Miami Dolphins from 2009 until the 2012 preseason, when I was released after tearing ligaments in my foot and injuring my back, both requiring surgery. I have since retired, and I’m happily working in the auto industry and living outside of Miami. I went to college at Nebraska with Richie Incognito, and I consider myself friends with him and Jonathan Martin, but I don’t speak with them regularly and I’m not taking sides. I’m only interested in the truth, which is what I’m going to share, from my own experiences and from conversations with friends still on the team.

Before I correct some of the misconceptions and outright lies being reported in the course of this story, let’s first establish who Martin and Incognito are as human beings and their relationship with one another.

From the beginning, when he was drafted in April 2012, Martin did not seem to want to be one of the group. He came off as standoffish and shy to the rest of the offensive linemen. He couldn’t look anyone in the eye, which was puzzling for a football player at this level on a team full of grown-ass men. We all asked the same question: Why won’t he be open with us? What’s with the wall being put up? I never really figured it out. He did something I’d never seen before by balking at the idea of paying for a rookie dinner, which is a meal for a position group paid for by rookies. (For example, I paid $9,600 for one my rookie year.) I don’t know if Martin ever ended up paying for one, as I was cut before seeing the outcome.

Incognito and Martin (Lynne Sladky/AP)
Incognito and Martin (Lynne Sladky/AP)

Martin was expected to play left tackle beside Incognito at guard from the start, so Incognito took him under his wing. They were close friends by all apperances. Martin had a tendency to tank when things would get difficult in practice, and Incognito would lift him up. He’d say, there’s always tomorrow. Richie has been more kind to Martin than any other player.

In other situations, when Martin wasn’t showing effort, Richie would give him a lot of crap. He was a leader on the team, and he would get in your face if you were unprepared or playing poorly. The crap he would give Martin was no more than he gave anyone else, including me. Other players said the same things Incognito said to Martin, so you’d need to suspend the whole team if you suspend Incognito.

Which brings me to my first point: I don’t believe Richie Incognito bullied Jonathan Martin. I never saw Martin singled out, excluded from anything, or treated any differently than the rest of us. We’d have dinners and the occasional night out, and everyone was invited. He was never told he can’t be a part of this. It was the exact opposite. But when he came out, he was very standoffish. That’s why the coaches told the leaders, bring him out of his shell. Figure him out a little bit.

That’s where Incognito ran into a problem. Personally, I know when a guy can’t handle razzing. You can tell that some guys just aren’t built for it. Incognito doesn’t have that filter. He was the jokester on the team, and he joked with everybody from players to coaches. That voicemail he sent came from a place of humor, but where he really screwed up was using the N-word. That, I cannot condone, and it’s probably the biggest reason he’s not with the team right now. Odd thing is, I’ve heard Incognito call Martin the same thing to his face in meetings and all Martin did was laugh. Many more worse things were said about others in the room from all different parties. It’s an Animal House. Now Incognito’s being slandered as a racist and a bigot, and unfortunately that’s never going to be wiped clean because of all the wrong he’s done people in his past. But if you really know who Richie is, he’s a really good, kind man and far from a racist.

In my experience, he’s not the kind of person who would extort someone for $15,000. The notion that Martin was forced to pay for a trip he didn’t attend has been misrepresented.

Playing football is a man’s job, and if there’s any weak link, it gets weeded out. It’s the leaders’ job on the team to take care of it.

Every year, as tradition, the offensive line goes on a big Vegas trip. Everything is paid for in advance, from hotels to a private jet to show tickets. Martin originally verbally committed to the trip, then later backed out after everything was booked. Now, if you can’t go because of an emergency then it’s okay, but to say you’re going and then decide you don’t want to spend the money later? Everything was paid for, and then when it was time to pay up he didn’t want to go anymore. You don’t do that to your brothers. The veterans who paid for it, including Incognito and others, asked for Martin’s share, and he gave it to them. End of story.

The silliest part of this story, to me, is the incident at the cafeteria, in which Martin was supposed to have been hazed when everyone got up from their seats as he sat down. Whoever leaked that story failed to share that getting up from a packed lunch table when one lineman sits down is a running gag that has been around for years. It happened to me more than once, and it happened to Martin because guys on the team say he was overcoming an illness. Just like when a guy is hurt, the joke is, I don’t want to sit with you, you’ve got the bug. Perhaps for Martin it was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but when Incognito reached him after he stormed out, Martin told him the departure had nothing to do with Incognito. Martin said it was something else. Then the media onslaught began.

Incognito was made a scapegoat for the hell coming down on the Dolphins organization, which in turn said it knew nothing about any so-called hazing. That’s the most outlandish lie of this whole thing. The coaches know everything. The coaches know who’s getting picked on and in many cases call for that player to be singled out. Any type of denial on that side is ridiculous. I have friends on more than a dozen teams, and it’s the same everywhere. What people want to call bullying is something that is never going away from football. This is a game of high testosterone, with men hammering their bodies on a daily basis. You are taught to be an aggressive person, and you typically do not make it to the NFL if you are a passive person. There are a few, but it’s very hard. Playing football is a man’s job, and if there’s any weak link, it gets weeded out. It’s the leaders’ job on the team to take care of it.

Ryan Tannehill and Lydon Murtha (Charles Trainor Jr./Getty Images)
Quarterback Ryan Tannehill (17) said Wednesday that he was surprised by the bullying allegations, a sentiment shared by ex-Dolphin Lydon Murtha, seen here in a 2012 preseason game.  (Charles Trainor Jr./Getty Images)

The most unfortunate thing about this situation is the consequence it will have on the careers of both men. Richie’s marked himself now as a racist and a bigot, and unfortunately that could be the end of it. Martin is on the opposite end of the spectrum, but no more likely than Incognito to return to the NFL if he wants. In going to the media with his problem, Martin broke the code, and it shows that he’s not there for his teammates and he’s not standing up for himself. There might be a team that gives him a chance because he’s a good person, but the players will reject him. They’ll think, If I say one thing he’s going to the press. He’ll never earn the respect of teammates and personnel in the NFL because he didn’t take care of business the right way.

What fans should understand is that every day in the NFL there are battles between players worse than what’s being portrayed. This racial slur would be a blip on the radar if everything that happens in the locker room went public. But all over the league, problems are hashed out in house. Either you talk about it or you get physical. But at the end of the day, you handle it indoors.

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AF Whigs
AF Whigs

Get a bunch of guys (or girls) together in some sort of group and often some type of "hazing" will go on.  It's easy for this to go too far, and not everyone can take it.  When I played HS football the older guys were generally not nice to the younger kids.  When I worked construction when I was younger there were plenty of guys who came on the worksite and quit after a few weeks because they couldn't take being razzed. 


Is it appropriate or necessary?  No, not necessarily.  However there's a difference between hazing and razzing and gentle teasing. If you get teased and put up with it you often eventually become part of the group.  Sometimes not, though.  


I'm willing to take Murtha's word that Martin didn't fit in and didn't want to, and that Incongnito just took things too far.  Oh, and I absolutely believe that the organization knew what was going on.  Of course they did.

AnteroColon
AnteroColon

This article reeks of playing down the lack of team leadership the Dolphins showed in regards to this guy.  Everyone knows that there is a line that doesn't get crossed, and Incognito crossed it.  The Dolphins brass admitted they spurned Incognito on, and now both of them are going to pay for it.  The typical brain damaged american jock personality will justify Incognito's behavior and give him a pass while saying Martin doesn't deserve to play football...probably out of jealousy.  His ability or skill is irrelevant.  What is relevant is how he was treated by Incognito and how the Dolphins handled the situation.  The evidence clearly points to favoring Martin.  Whether he'll be accepted by the Dolphins or not when/if he returns is irrelevant.

amberp70
amberp70

I don't understand in one vein football players in the NFL want to be treated like professionals but in another they say things like this writer, "...Odd thing is, I’ve heard Incognito call Martin the same thing to his face in meetings and all Martin did was laugh. Many more worse things were said about others in the room from all different parties. It’s an Animal House."  Are you professionals deserving of million dollar contracts or are you teenage boys that have no understanding about how to behave at work?  (Sidebar:  Mr Murtha, my son made an all star baseball team.  Two of the boys relentlessly bullied him.  They were the vets and were the top two players.  My son wanted to be a part of the team so badly and the only way was through those two little bullies.  He would laugh when they would pull off his hat, so he would look like he was just one of the boys.  It took almost the entire season and me threatening to go to the coach for my son to stand up to them and go to the coach himself.  Just because you laugh because someone makes you the butt of the joke doesn't mean you think its funny)


Also, are any of these players or posters that said Martin is to blame for not fighting Incognito fathers?  In schools we teach children to stand up for themselves and that doesn't mean you have to use violence to do that.  NFL players are paid big endorsement deals because they are the model for how people act, what they buy, and how they look at things.  The NFL and its players should be standing up to say they do not condone bullying and that there is no place for hazing in the work place.  That teaches the boys in little league that there is no place for bullying on their teams either.


Martin is a role model for my two sons.  And all of the reticule from people like this writer proves to my sons that it takes a $h1+ load of courage to stand up for yourself.

cmseitz78
cmseitz78

First off that cover up article was the worst ever. You went to college with Richie, you played with Richie, and you retired a year ago, so the only relevant facts you have are towards the first 6-10 months of this.

I work in an all male work atmosphere, and when I was brought up we got messed with, we got picked on at lunch, we got tough because we worked outside all year long, doing a hard job, with heavy lifting, and one of the highest rates of workplace injuries in the U.S. Yes the construction industry(Roofing), where you want to make sure the guy next to you is tough enough so if you go falling someones got the heart to reach out and help you. So I understand football, I also played in my youth, but one thing I do know now is its 2013 and the way we did things in the past and the way we do things now are different.

Am I still tough on guys, yes but in a. different way. In this day & age there are things you just cant do. Mr. Martin reminds me of a women that takes abuse for so long dismissing it at first, second going along with the abuser just to minimize the abuse, and finally the moment when whatever snaps it does and the walk or shoot the abuser. Lets all be thankful Mr.Martin did not seriously hurt Mr. Ingognito. Hats off too him for doing the REAL MANLY thing to do, walk away, take criticism, and get help.

He toughed out one year, the personal attacks affected his performance, and thats obvious. The cover up, and comments by his team members just show there still not realizing every thing being said is being compared to what the other is saying. Also the fact that any man some sort of idea he was made"an honorary black man" to excuse his choice of words. The thing I didnt understand was, how did that slide by without comment, that is the most racist thing I ever heard. We are in a day & age where men are men, not by there skin tone,or heritage. How do you just be a man? Obvious this big over paid juvenile does not understand what that takes, he still wants to hold court in strip clubs, "fine brothers that make less than him", and assault women volunteers at charity functions. Lets not forget the pool hall video with no shirt and Mike Pouncey.

And on to the rest of his supporters Mike Pouncey also supported Aaron Hernandez and also has connections to that whole event, so was reported.

So in ending this, if you like to pop bottles, you like strip clubs, you like to use the N word, and be a supporter of and maybe involved with aaron hernandez and guns, as well as play pranks on everyone, have new guys pay for your trips we should go get millions at the Miami Dolphins as a lineman.

If you want to abide by federal & state laws on workplace and grow up and truly be a role model and leader maybe are kids should dream for a better career choice.

Wesley Oldfather
Wesley Oldfather

Lydon Murtha is full of it.....He spent all his effort this article trying to show why he doesn't care or have a "dog in the fight". This kind of manipulative speak might work with his "yes men" football groupies, who are afraid to voice their opinion because they might be bullied.  With the generally more intelligent public it doesn't work as much.

In the beginning he said, " ...went to college at Nebraska with Richie Incognito...but I don’t speak with them regularly and I’m not taking sides. I’m only interested in the truth."   C'mon man..really?  Old buddies from the same alma matter? I have more interaction with random people who attended my university, which lacks any school pride. Two corn-fed rednecks (most of my friends) not being best buddies..really?  Don't try to down play your relationship just because you think it brings more emphasis to your argument. 

My last comment is this...this whole "brothers" and I've even heard the term, "going to war"...it's like the scene in "Junction Boys" when Bear Bryant was pretending that football was like war, only to put in his place by father who had been there... You're not cops, you're not soldiers, you're not saving the world, you're entertainers whom can be compared to Ke$ha and Justin Bieber.  While I love the game and am an adamant fan of it, you will never convince me that it is anything more than three hours of an intricate, beautiful  art-form in place to entertain us every Thurs, Sun, Monday (and much more now b/c of fantasy football!) 

ddaniels
ddaniels

how awful that a locker room incident could be turn into a major NFL incident that could have a negative impact on both parties its a shame this was not handle in a better way some things are just not worth it

ChrisSalmon
ChrisSalmon

Ill keep my 10k... in a few years youll probably wish you did, too.

trygpete
trygpete

Excellent article. The PC media isn't interested in the real story, only the inflammatory stuff. I hope they're happy ruining Incognito's career. Martin ruined his own by being a sissy.

octamundo
octamundo

Who cares about a bunch of overpaid fat guys whoapparently have to play by the same rules of the rest of society?

Toof
Toof

I originally posted this long winded, now that I look at it, comment here: http://fyre.it/nWfqbZ.4

Just my take, so take it easy on me if you disagree...

J. Martin gets drafted by the Dolphins. He get's the usual rookie hazing. He thinks it will be one year and the hazing will stop. He goes through that first year and he can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The hazing will stop when he is a 2nd year player. Then, he starts getting the same crap he was getting as the Dolphins are getting ready for 2013, the second season for Martin. Martin thinks, OK, it will go away as soon as the season starts because he's no longer a rookie. It doesn't stop. Dolphins are 3-0 and the treatment of Martin continues. His "play" in-game degrades. His QB is getting the brunt of Martin's lack of focus. Coaches think it is an issue of 'toughness.' Martin is still getting treated as if he was a rookie. Martin tries to get along. He uses epithets that have never come out of his mouth but he can type them or send 'memes' with them to one or other antagonizers. He thinks it's going to be OK. Dolphins have dropped three in a row but he is feeling better about it all... he thinks its going away. Dolphins win and they are 4-3... All is good... until one day at lunch. A prank usually saved for rookies is pulled on him when his 'guys' call him over to sit with them since they are the 'offensive linemen.' He sits, everyone leaves. Martin explodes and for him exploding, it is internal. He can't handle it any more. He thought it was over but it's starting again. He has had enough. His dream is over. He leaves.

Cut to Martin at home in California. Parents are confused. Their son is home because he doesn't want to play in the NFL anymore. They know that his entire life was planned around football. They made sure he went to a prestigious school so that just in case football didn't work out... Martin's parents are those kind of parents. Always looking out for their kid. They sit with him and he explains that the 'culture' of the NFL is not for him. He says he's done.

Parents being parents and in this case also lawyers start looking into why their son's passion is no longer his passion. They interrogate their son, as parents often do. They find the voicemail. They find the texts. (And yes some people don't erase their voice mails, like me) They find the horrible, horrible things. The parents, being lawyers, take action. They find another lawyer that has experience in dealing with the NFL. They show him what they found. Jonathan Martin intervenes. He says that he does not want to sue anyone, be it the NFL, Dolphins, the coaches or even Richie Incognito. He says teammates don't do that but parents have the ball now. They tell him that this kind of thing doesn't happen everywhere in the NFL. Hired lawyer assures Jonathan that no one is going to sue anyone but this has to be shown, heard by everyone, not for just Jonathan's situation but for all other players in the NFL trying to 'handle' their situation in the locker room. Lawyer says to Jonathan, "Just tell the truth."

<<< Have you noticed that no one is suing anyone? Why isn't Incognito suing for pay? Why isn't Martin suing everybody and anybody associated with the Dolphins for workplace harassment? Can you imagine Martin's parents wanting to sue and sue some more? Their kid has had his dream taken! If I was Martin's parent, I would want to sue the entire state... but Martin's parents aren't pushing that. I think Martin is a tough man. There is no way that you can be the blindside tackle for Andrew Luck and also graduate Standford and not be a tough man. I don't think Martin is running his end of this debacle anymore. His parents and his lawyer are under the guise of 'we're doing this for Jonathan and all workplaces.' Jonathan just wants to play football without all the extra crap. He took it for a year like all rookies. It should have stopped there. As for Richie, he learned from the wrong people. He thinks that others are like him. He tried to learn how to act but when he starts drinking, he loses control of what he has learned. In my opinion, he needs to go to rehab and get on the wagon. When he is sober, he just another guy, I hope. He's not crazy and I don't think he even knows what being a racist means and because of that, when he says things like a racist, he doesn't understand why people call him a racist. He is lucky that Martin's parents aren't suing him right now and I think Jonathan is holding them back from doing so. Now, we wait to hear what the NFL has to say about it all and heads will roll. I also think this entire thing could have been avoided if one player would have chased after Jonathan after the lunchroom incident and apologized and by that player, I mean Richie. >>>

ngjnh
ngjnh

After 23 years in special education it almost seems as if Martin may have Asperger's which is part of the Autism spectrum. These folks can be very intelligent but struggle with social skills and can appear "standoffish" due to diminished social skills and the ability to "read" others.

GeraldO'Hare
GeraldO'Hare

Hahahahaha this is the most idiotic article I have ever read. The law does not stop at the locker room doors. No one on this earth has the right to threaten to kill a person's family and rape a sister. What was done traditionally does not make this behavior legal or moral. Slavery was once a tradition also. There are clear rules and laws covering the work place. You can't be paid for your work and expect some kind of exception from the law that we all abide by in the workplace. Your opinion and definition of being an adult man is meaningless under the law. Your opinion is not an expert witness opinion. You are not a licensed Psychologist or a MD trained in the field. Getting physical to solve a problem is not and never has been an answer. Problems are covered up in house and the misbehavior continues. Football has shown us the vile side of human nature from the Sandusky case, to the Vick dog fighting case and now the racial bullying. I thought that football was suppose to build character. No football player had the courage to stop any of the abuse in the cases I just mentioned. You have to ask yourself why. Why did football fail to reach the moral high ground in every case?

intreveus
intreveus

This guy sounds ridiculous: " I don't have a dog in this fight"  REALLY?  Yet this guy starts his opening  diatribe with this statement "From the beginning, when he was drafted in April 2012, Martin did not seem to want to be one of the group."  Who is he trying  to fool?

westcoastbias
westcoastbias

we're going to accept the credibility of someone who starts with "I don’t have a dog in this fight."? - demonstrating he learned NOTHING from the Michael Vick saga?!

SmigRobustus
SmigRobustus

Only other football players can surmise if this thing has " gone to far". This isn't regular society.....it's an insular situation. Anyone who thinks they can say what things SHOULD be like are dreaming........it's an NFL PLAYERS world, not some account managers

Barbara8
Barbara8

Incognito went too far,,,there's a difference between motivating and being abusive, (not to say other players hadn't experienced abusive treatment and could handle it),,Martin evidently was not one..  For all those that stood by and either watch or supported Incognito's style of humor or even been a party to that type of treatment, deserved to have it brought out into the public and out of the "in house" problem solving method,,,,,Pro football is a rough and tough sport and it takes a certain type of mentality to handle all that comes along with the sport,,,I'm sure that the Dolphin's are not the only team that has faced this type of issue but is certainly the only one that has gotten it from "in house" to out of house...

jooo83
jooo83

I don't pretend like others to know exactly what happened between Incognito and Martin. But this entire story has played out exactly how race mongers and the liberal media commonly reacts to controversy stories. They want to put people in jail. Throw away the key. And then examine the evidence after.

campusqueen
campusqueen

In the text message, what do you think he meant by "Your Real Mother?" someone answer that for me. I'm puzzled by that.

campusqueen
campusqueen

If you don't have a dog in the fight, then, stay out of it!!! you're making things worse.

Richard B
Richard B

So, if you can tell that some people can't take a razzing or a joke or a hazing, why continue to razz/joke/haze in a sport that has a suicide problem?

SherryAtyeo
SherryAtyeo

This just sounds like more excuses for bad behavior.  To say its any players job to weed out the weak, just proves the point there is a problem. It not anyone job to weed out players other than a coach, it your job to show up and play your position to the best of your ability. To anyone with eyes this was a young man who didn't have to personality to deal with behavior. And at the end of the day he shouldn't have to. No where does it say everyone has to be buddys and hang out, some people are quiet and reserved. Look at the culture of football players theses days, players are forever getting arrested for doing aggressive things outside of football. You as teams and coaches cant encourage them to be animals then throw your hands up and say it not my fault when they do. These are large men with the ability to harm one another, the first thing they should be taught is respect and restraint because aggression is a given. As experience player you should help your rookies by teaching, not making them feel and though they are second class citizens and beating them down. If the NFL wants a good look at what a locker should be, check out the Detroit Lions, this crap is not tolerated one bit and everyone is treated with respect. it starts at the top people, players mirror there coaches. The league need to make it clear to all coaches what's acceptable, and that nothing else will be tolerated.

BritneySzczurko
BritneySzczurko

I can't imagine going to Stanford and playing football is easy on the stress levels. So I don't think a little stress and name calling would get to this guy. But if even when he wasn't working he had to put up with crap from work when he left. Also for players from teams outside saying that even just the voice mail would of never happened in their locker room means it went further then it should. Incognito even got cut from Oregon in a week because he couldn't control his attitude. Sounds like he's smart to a point by interacting with the media to shed good light on his image and choosing targets. He even admitted he takes med's for psychological problems. But hey maybe Incognito got confused and thought Martin was on a different team....... 

yoda.pj18
yoda.pj18

If Martin wasn't good enough, Miami would have cut him. The person speaking in this story made it clear enough that Martin wasn't into the whole over-macho thing. He put up with it to a point, like going along to a point saying no to paying for a trip or something costing $15,000. What these fellows who think this is okay is not accepting the reality that they are public figures and this isn't junior high anymore. In the era of social media [working for a big corporation like the NFL]: One cannot write or record this nasty of stuff for posterity to find. You cannot write or record specific death threats, or threats against person's family members. And if these guys "knew" the limits of individuals to take abuse, apparently they missed it this time. To say something in the steam and fog of a locker-room or on a blood and sweat (and near-gladiator level of NFL full contact) practice field is one thing; public figures cannot post verbal threats and racial slurs on something like a voice mail. 

Dan1051
Dan1051

Put Rich back to work, and let the NFL do their investigation, and work out the facts….. He's a great player, and obviously has the support of his teammates.   There is NO VALID reason to suspend him….    Oh, the "N-word", suspend EVERYONE who has ever used the word… NOT   Get over it.

LeanneEmm
LeanneEmm

Incognito is a violent sociopath. He's a bully and a racist. If he's fine with you, you need to take some time and think.

trop10
trop10

$9600 for a meal....Nice... you overpaid gluttonous slobs....NOBODY has any respect, pity or sympathy for any of you... Steroid using sociopaths.... why would we care?

cmoss50202
cmoss50202

I have to believe that in a locker room full of black players,if the N word was tossed out there in the wrong way, there would be another story to report, the brothers would not put up with that.

ChrisKibbe
ChrisKibbe

I have a friend of mine who affectionately refers to his black friends as 'Nig**r."  Everyone knows he doesn't MEAN anything by it and no one feels he is racist.  BUT - bottom line - a little bit of that goes a LONG way.

bhanks
bhanks

This whole thing sounds like the pro-sports version of the scenario in "A Few Good Men."  (Based on the avoided topic of the role the organization's leadership had in encouraging team mates to "bring him out of his shell.")

winter_hat
winter_hat

@AnteroColon Yes, I think I'll go with your account over a player in the NFL who also knows and played with both men.

Taxpayer555
Taxpayer555

@GeraldO'Hare This is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read.  You are wrong on almost all accounts.  The law does stop at the locker room.  You would be arrested immediately if you hit anyone, verbally abused someone, or treated anyone the way you do in practice daily, in high school let alone the pros.   

They are pro football players, playing a violent game.  You do not like it, do not play it or watch it. No one in the locker room has supported Martin that says all we need to know. Go explore you inner self or whatever the know nothing PC crowd does when they are not whining.    

amberp70
amberp70

@SmigRobustusI don't believe there are any clauses like that in the laws regarding work place harassment.

Unlawful harassment is a form of discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other federal authority. Unwelcome verbal or physical conduct based on race, color, religion, sex (whether or not of a sexual nature and including same-gender harassment and gender identity harassment), national origin, age (40 and over), disability (mental or physical), sexual orientation, or retaliation (sometimes collectively referred to as “legally protected characteristics”) constitutes harassment when:
  1. The conduct is sufficiently severe or pervasive to create a hostile work environment...

 To me it seems Incognito's behavior fits perfectly into the definition of the law.   Other aspects of the law like,"A claim of harassment generally requires several elements, including:  The unwelcome conduct affected a term or condition of employment and/or had the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with his or her work performance and/or creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment."  Also was present.  Several reports show that has the harassment went on Martin's job performance started to decline.

intreveus
intreveus

@jooo83  What or who is the liberal media? Please give an example of the conservative media.  Other wise you make yourself seem _____

AnthonyOkafor
AnthonyOkafor

@jooo83 you sound like an idiot. THere is no "liberal media" and no one is going to jail. Just because a Dbag is suspended doesn't mean there is a personal vendetta against him. I don't believe Martin would just make up stuff about someone

jooo83
jooo83

@campusqueen You only say that because his version of events don't fit your preconceived notions of what you believe happened.

GaryVanSoosten
GaryVanSoosten

@Dan1051 You must be either an idiot or don't watch the Dolphins. Incognito is on one the worst offensive lines in the league whether he is there or not. He caused this mess so let him stew in it!!!! He's a pig and a bully. 

srdavis9
srdavis9

@Dan1051 He threatened him.  Whether he was joking or not the Dolphins have evidence of a threat against Martin's life. He has to be suspended.  If the Dolphins had knowledge of the threat and Incognito ended up hurting or killing Martin, the Dolphins are culpable.

campusqueen
campusqueen

@Dan1051 He should be suspended for bullying! Everyday we see young people "packing" when they go to school-what do you think would've happened if Jonathan Martin would've came to work that way instead of walking out and getting help for himself. DON'T BLAME THE VICTIM; DON'T GLORIFY THE BULLY.

GeraldO'Hare
GeraldO'Hare

A locker room is a work place. Fellow workers cannot make a hostile work environment nor can they threaten to kill or rape family members. The emails, voicemails are damning evidence. Forcing someone to pay tens of thousands of dollars is extortion. You will find that is why Richie Incognito is not receiving a paycheck anymore. His career is OVER. this is the law that we must abide by in the workplace. The law is what rules not some group of clueless players. There will be a lawsuit and bullying is finished in the NFL. So get used to it.

ErolStreet
ErolStreet

@Taxpayer555  That's what @GeraldO'Hare is trying to say! It doesn't stop in the locker room - job as a football player is not different than any other and the law is the same for everybody. 

96enterprises
96enterprises

@AnthonyOkafor no liberal media?  Anything you may or may not have said after that statement is excrement if you honestly believe there is no liberal media.  Also, you don't exude intelligence by starting your argument with an insult.

AnthonyOkafor
AnthonyOkafor

@jooo83 @campusqueen no. it's because this story contradicts that statement. it's like when someone says "I'm not a racist but" and then says some obvious racist things

Dexter
Dexter

@campusqueen @Dan1051 Suspended for "bullying"? We aren't talking about "young people". We are talking about GROWN MEN who play an extremely tough and violent sport. Martin is a 6'4", 310 lb wrecking machine, not some poor high school kid. He beats the crap out of other men for a living. You cant "bully" a man like that

amberp70
amberp70

@Taxpayer555 @ErolStreet @GeraldO'Hare Dangerous jobs like construction, flying an airplane, being a police officer and the like have assumed risks like football players while they are playing the game of football.  Football players cannot be subject to workplace harassment just because their job function carries risk.

Taxpayer555
Taxpayer555

@ErolStreet @Taxpayer555 @GeraldO'Hare  Yes and he is wrong.  It does stop at the locker room.  You can hit people, abuse them, threaten them and a host of other things that would get you arrested outside the scope of football. But these things happen every day and are accepted.  It is part of the “assumed risk” aspect of participation.  The law is not the law in football.   

amberp70
amberp70

@96enterprises @AnthonyOkafor The owner of Fox News and its affiliates owns the media outlets that supply 1/3 of the WORLD with their news.  If you want to be worried about someone controlling the news, I would go with the guy with the largest single share.

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