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Don’t Ditch Dennis

The Raiders are 8-22 in two years under Dennis Allen, but the players say he's not the problem. Will owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie allow Allen to be the first Oakland coach to reach his third season since Jon Gruden?

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Jim Trotter
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The Raiders’ fourth consecutive loss of the season wasn’t just bad. It was historically bad.

They surrendered a franchise-record 56 points, threw five interceptions and lost two fumbles last Sunday against the Chiefs. They gave up 21 points in the first 7:33 of the game, allowed running back Jamaal Charles to gain 215 total yards and score five touchdowns on 16 touches, and committed 10 penalties for 90 yards.

The post-game focus was largely on coach Dennis Allen, who is 8-22 in two seasons on the job. Among the vitriol from Raider Nation: Doesn’t have guys ready to play … Can’t make adjustments … Has lost the locker room … Needs to be fired. 

The last comment was particularly interesting because it’s so ridiculous.  Fired? Are memories really that short? Let’s revisit the mess he inherited. The Raiders:

  • Were coming off their ninth straight non-winning season, which included a league-record seven consecutive years of at least 11 defeats;
  • Were $31 million over the salary cap going into the 2012 season, and this year are carrying nearly $55 million in dead money—$11.5 million more than any other team and nearly 44 percent of their adjusted cap;
  • Had no selections in the first three rounds of the 2012 draft until they received a compensatory pick at the end of Round 3 and have gotten virtually nothing of consequence from this year’s first-round pick, D.J. Hayden;
  • Had only two players left from the 10 first-round selections that were made from 2001-10, six of which were among the first eight picks.

Did anyone really believe Allen was going to work magic under those conditions? With the organization embarking on what owner Mark Davis recently called a “two-year deconstruction” that began when Allen was hired, you didn’t need bifocals to see the process was going to be painful. In fact, I’d argue that the team’s 3-4 start this season—with an offense and defense whose collective salaries rank last in the league, by a large margin—was more of a testament to the staff’s ability than the club’s subsequent 1-6 mark is an indication of its deficiencies.

Firing Allen would be a mistake. He’s respected by peers around the league and his players in the locker room.

“Dennis doesn’t have everything he needs at this point,” safety Charles Woodson told me Sunday. “Really, he deserves that shot to come back. It’s not fair to criticize him now. These last couple of years they’ve been making changes around here to put themselves in a position to move forward, and next year they’re going to be able to do a lot of things as far as bringing guys in to make the Oakland Raiders a formidable team.

“I understand nobody has patience in this league, and I understand the frustration of the fans. But with the changes that’ll be made, he’ll have what he needs to make this team what he believes it can be. He deserves that shot.”

But will Allen get it? It would be a bad look for Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie if he doesn’t. Both have said they didn’t expect the Raiders to emerge from the other end of the tunnel until Year 3 of the rebuild, which is next season.

Allen’s future is a topic because Davis has made it so. Unlike his repeated support of McKenzie, he has never publicly gotten behind Allen. He typically says he’ll evaluate the situation after the season, but in the meantime he wants to see progress.

Dennis Allen (left) had been a defensive coordinator for one season before Reggie McKenzie (center) and Mark Davis hired him in January 2012. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
Dennis Allen (left) had been a defensive coordinator for one season before Reggie McKenzie (center) and Mark Davis hired him in January 2012. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

Those comments aren’t lost on the players, who believe Allen is not the problem.“He puts us in a position to win,” linebacker Kevin Burnett said. “What we do with that position is up to us.”

For instance, Jamaal Charles took a screen pass 49 yards for a touchdown in Week 15 despite three defenders being in a position to make plays. Burnett was tied up with a blocker, which should’ve freed cornerback Phillip Adams or safety Brandian Ross to bring down Charles. However both defensive backs took poor angles—Adams peeked inside instead of maintaining outside contain, and Ross broke to the ball too quickly and got stuck in traffic—giving Charles an avenue down the sideline.

Also, the defense had a chance to get off the field late in the third quarter of a Week 13 game against Dallas, which had rallied from a 21-7 deficit to tie the score. But on third-and-6 at the Cowboys 39, Burnett and Ross whiffed on tight end Jason Witten in the flat. He rumbled 19 yards for the first down, and six plays later DeMarco Murray scored the decisive touchdown on a 7-yard run.

The reality is the Raiders simply don’t have enough talent to consistently win games. They lost strong safety Tyvon Branch, one of their best players, to a season-ending ankle injury in Week 2. They’ve gotten little production from Hayden. They’re starting an undrafted rookie at quarterback. And nearly all of the nine new starters on defense were signed because they could be acquired on the cheap.

The defense played well early in the year, but physical and mental fatigue is setting in because the unit lacks depth and guys are being asked to push their bodies to places they’ve never been. Tackle Pat Sims has started 14 games this year; his previous career high was six. End Jason Hunter has started nine games; last year with Denver he started two. And Ross has taken more than 900 defensive snaps; last year he was on the field for 174.

The end result likely will be a second straight 4-12 season, but firing Allen would be a mistake. He’s respected by peers around the league and his players in the locker room. Arizona quarterback Carson Palmer, who demanded a trade out of Oakland after last season because of how a contract matter was handled, told me in training camp he believes Allen is a good coach who’ll be successful. Another thing to consider: Firing Allen would mean each of the Raiders’ past seven coaches failed to last more than two full seasons.

“I didn’t know anything about DA when I got here,” linebacker Nick Roach said. “But just seeing how he has handled this progression, I honestly do believe he’s the right guy for the job. He’s realistic, but at the same time he expects the most out of us, which any good coach would. He knows our potential; it’s just a matter of being together enough and building around the core so that everybody is on the same page. I can’t imagine a change being very productive.”

If nothing else, the offseason is going to paint a clearer picture of Davis. When he assumed control of the team after the death of his father, Al Davis, in October 2011, he said he wanted to hire a general manager who’d have full control of football operations. That included the hiring and firing of coaches. Or did it? We could soon find out.

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rick.houlihan
rick.houlihan

Mr. Trotter,


You really need to do your math before you quote the numbers.  Yes the Raiders had $55M in dead money this year, but how much of that was caused by Al Davis?  Last year's dead pool was all about Al, but let's take a look at what McKenzie and Allen did about that.


They cut Mike Mitchell, who is playing very well in Carolina now btw, and added $2M in dead money.

They cut Carson Palmer and added another $12.5M in dead money.

They signed Matt Flynn, who they promptly cut 4 weeks into the season, and added another $9M in dead money.


Those three moves added up to almost half the dead money the Raiders carried this year.


Throw in drafting a CB in the first round who was coming off a hideous life threatening injury, wasting your second round pick on a project player with one year of football experience who is too injury prone to make it on the field, and the fact that basically none of our draft picks from last year are even playing on a regular basis and I think there is plenty of ammunition for a firing squad for both Allen and McKenzie.


In fact Mark Davis is probably the most pathetic owner in the league and it is highly likely that the Raiders will continue to stink up the field until he sells the team to someone who knows what they are doing.

DrewS
DrewS

The problem is simple, anyone with the last name of Davis connected with this team has to sell it. Find a new owner who will bankroll a new stadium out of his own pocket. Bring in competent people and set the Raiders back to respectability. 

saulb
saulb

There appears to be a great deal of confusion on this board.  First, Hue Jackson was not authorized to pull the trigger on the Carson Palmer deal and if he did; you must first question ownership to hand him such authority.  He stated the same in various interviews.


Second, Dennis Allen, understandably, was handed a bad situation with bloated contracts; however, Dennis Allen has done very little to put a quality product on the field.  I am not even mentioning winning games.  Rather, I'm expressing the notion that the team should be competitive.  Dennis Allen's defense is breaking records and not in a good way.  7 td passes by Nick Foles.  NICK FOLES!!!!!!  Jamaal Charles shredding the defense at will.  This is utter nonsense from a man who was supposed to be a defensive guru.


Third, please read my comments.  This organization has suffered for years due to instability in the coaching position.  Quite simply; however, the Dennis Allen pick was not wise.  Again, I'm not talking about winning.  I'm simply talking about being competitive. 


Now, there is talk that players respect the guy and the like, but if they really respected the guy; do you friggin job and play within yourself.  The Dennis Allen experiment has not worked and don't blame new starters for the team's troubles.  Jeff Fisher took over a Rams team that is the youngest in the league and they are, at the very least, competitive.  That's what experience does for a team. 


Here, Allen looks lost at times and he fails to make the necessary adjustments within the game and this only comes with experience.  He's been head coach for 2 years and it looks like the efforts has gotten worse.  As such, it is time for a change at head coach.

funnymatt
funnymatt

He came after back to back 8-8 seasons, the most recent of which was one where the Raiders played for the division win in the final week of the season. Reggie fired Hue Jackson (big mistake), brought in Dennis, and they have played worse in the second half of nearly every game. That's the mark of bad coaching. He's not a good coach, they don't have enough talent, and Reggie's the one that put the salary cap in that position- the Raiders have always restructured deals to get around the cap before this year. Get rid of Reggie, get rid of Dennis, and break the bank to get a coach/GM combo that has some experience in building winning teams. Gruden? Billick? Hell, I'll take Rex Ryan after the Jets dump him. Dennis Allen has NOT wanted to play Terrell Pryor, even when healthy, when he's shown that he gives this team the best chance to win. Screw this coach, screw this GM, and screw you for thinking he's not part of the problem.

youngnorth77
youngnorth77

Why keep this guy? you coach what you got, everybody team has some sort of talent,  just look at the games it aint all about talent, bad tackling, poor angles, no disipline, and this is all on defensive side of the ball and he's a defensive guy, then you compound that with the fact you have no QB and no offensive weapons and thats not all his fought but who's decision was it to draft a  risky corner in the first round? this franchise has been horrible in the draft this draft is loaded with Qb's and one in particular Johnny Manziel and Jadaveon Clowney another superstar one are the other, the new coach and Reggie Mackenzie can't screw that up are can they? 

saulb
saulb

No one wants stability with this organization more than I.  The problem is the hire of Dennis Allen was performed in the heat of a loss to the Chargers when there was a realistic chance of the Raiders winning the division.  One of the reasons the Raiders collapsed toward the end of the 2011 season was poor defensive play.  In comes Dennis Allen WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO FIX THE DEFENSE because the offense was fine.  Now, both sides of the ball are TERRIBLE and getting precipitously worse as time goes by.  Fire Dennis Allen immediately and Mark Davis needs to sell the team.  Hugh Jackson was deserving of additional time to let his style work.  The Raiders had consecutive 8-8 seasons and each coach was fired.  Dennis Allen will have consecutive 12 loss seasons (probably) and he deserves the same fate.

A.j.G-BergGandenberger
A.j.G-BergGandenberger

So, let me get this straight. Reggie McKenzie gets hired, no cap space, no talent, and stuck with a big headed coach who tried to save a lost season by signing a retired QB, he hires a coachwith no experience, to coach guys with either no experience or no talent except a few, in an orginization with very little good things goingon with the most hectic fan base in football and you all think they should be let go two years into rebuilding? Come on man. I'm just as hungry as you all are for wins, but I'm willing to wait and see because at the end of the day, I'm still gonna be a raiders fan. And 3-4 years from now, when they are playing for a superbowl title, I'm gonna be there, even if that means watching them lose tomorrow..

gary41
gary41

Another example of a journalist talking about firing a Head Coach, based on speculation.  To say that Davis has made firing Allen a topic, based on staying in the background and not fully endorsing him, is wrong.  Then to list a number of reasons why he should not be fired, is raised, I guess, to justify the article.  Hell if you can't find something to write about, I'll give you a half dozen legitimate topics....   

SteveBliss
SteveBliss

I don't know what's more pathetic; that some so-called Raider fans actually think firing yet another coach is a good idea, or that those same people actually think that Lovie Smith or Jon Gruden would even consider coaching the Raiders.

SteveNorthrop
SteveNorthrop

I've been a Raider fan since the first practice I saw at The Pink Flamingo in Santa Rosa in 1967. Lyle Alzado gave me a ride on his Bike one year. The Raiders were consistent when they had consistent coaching. From Madden to Gruden it has been coaching in addition to remarkable players, players who would at best been mediocre if not for the coaching. Keep the Coach & don't give into the fad of replacing the guy every two years.

ReedWright
ReedWright

Yes please keep him.   Status quo is the way I like it.  Last in the West is perfect.

RaiderFan27526
RaiderFan27526

I've been a Raider fan since I was 5 years old, so 32 years now. I've seen good teams, I've seen bad teams. I've seen Marcus..Bo..Howie..Tim Brown all excellent picks by Al Davis. But I've also seen Marinovich, Ricky Dudley, Marc Wilson, Michael Huff, Rolando McClain, DHB, Jessie Hester, Bob Buczkowski, John Clay, Anthony Smith, Patrick Bates, Rob Frederickson, Matt Stinchcomb, Derrick Gibson, Phillip Buchanon, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden. Oh, you don't remember most of those guys? Neither do 31 other NFL organizations but they were all 1st round picks by Mr. Al Davis. Not by Reggie McKenzie, not by Dennis Allen or by Mark Davis. They aren't the reason the Raiders are in the mess they are in!! That fall's squarely on the the dead shoulders of Al Davis. I might be in the minority that thinks he was an awful owner, but his EGO got in the way of him effectively running an NFL franchise, plain & simple. The last great coach the Raiders had was Jon Gruden and he got shipped away to Tampa because he was becoming the "face" of the Raiders. Al Davis wasn't having that BS. EGO got in the way. Why did he ship Marcus Allen off? EGO. Why didn't he ever hire a GM? EGO.

I don't understand or even comprehend the plain stupidity that supposed "Raider Fans" spout on a daily basis. If you can look at all of the facts the Trotter pointed out and still think that somehow it's DA, MD or RM's fault then you are just as delusional as Al Davis was & Jerry Jones is! They have no money to sign any really good players and even if they did, do you really think they want to come to Oakland right now knowing the mess they are in? Hell no. That's like someone offering me $100 million to live in North Korea for 5 years..nah man. I'm good, I'll just enjoy my meager salary and live in peace. Now..when THEY turn this ship around in the THIRD YEAR and they will...haters are still gonna do what they do, HATE. That turn around is coming and the worst thing they can do is start firing people right now. A coach can only do so much with the talent he has and a GM can only buy good players with $$$$. I will recognize this though..RM's draft picks haven't exactly been stellar. I like Sio Moore and some of the undrafted FA's they've picked up. But he does need to do a better job drafting, maybe the lack of picks has hurt..who know's. But he does deserve the benefit of the doubt right now. They have built a solid foundation, now they need to start building this new franchise piece by piece.            

yummypeaches
yummypeaches

As a Raider fan I applaud you for writing this . Dennis Allen is a good coach . He simply doesn't have the players . The one that needs to be on the hot seat next year is Reggie McKenzie . He isn't bringing in the talent . At the start of the 4th quarter of the KC game you are referencing the score was 35-31 . That has been a theme though out the season . They play with everyone but in the end they are gassed due to lack of talent and depth . You can only flog a horse so much .


BeastQuake
BeastQuake

Sounds a lot like my Mariners, but at least with the Raiders if you're old enough you remember when they didn't suck and won chips

FredFlintsone
FredFlintsone

Have to believe that after so many coaches after so many years coaches aren't the problem in raiders land

fttsps
fttsps

Raiduuuuhs suck! they aren't going any where till tommy boy sells the team.

Cool
Cool

Imagine a Nascar owner recruiting drivers and then when they join the team, he provides them with 6 cylinder engines to race against 8 cylinder engines.  Then after the driver loses a bunch of races, he gets fired because he wasn't sticking close to the other guys.  IMHO that is what Davis did when he hired DA.  You can't hand a coach a bunch of underpaid, or throw away players from other teams and expect to win, no matter who you hire.

Frank14
Frank14

as follower of Chiefs--i have to say--when you play ur D without having somebody really fast dogging Jaamal Charles, do you know how to coach the D?

youngnorth77
youngnorth77

I have talked about this many of times it does not take three years to show effort he might be a good coach but who cares he's not winning and thats all that counts in that chiefs game, you know your defense is getting gashed by man to man with screens why did they not adjust your a defensive minded coach but your continously give up big offensive numbers I think in a league that is all about offense having a defensive minded coach is a waste get rid of him draft a Qb and get some offensive weapons and start that way

AntawnW
AntawnW

I don't get!!  No one has brought forward any reason that makes any sense to retain Dennis Allen (and more importantly, to retain Reggie McKenzie).


Under Allen's leadership, his team won 4 games last year.  Even when healthy, he misused Darren McFadden .... so, he fires the Offensive Coordinator & Line Coach.  So, why did Reggie hire them???


Now we have 4 wins in 2013 & probably staring at two more losses.


Dennis Allen is NOT A LEADER.  Does he show the passion of a leader?


There is a certain personality & passion that the leader of a bunch of actuary accountants have...

Then, there is a certain personality & passion that the leader of a pro football team should have ...


Do fans really "...get into it..." when Dennis Allen gets up there?   Does he really "....rally the troops? ..."   This man has no passion or leadership skills.  Being a passive aggressive leader in the NFL won't get it done.


Who got more out of his players:  Gruden or Allen?    Hue Jackson or Allen?


Even if Reggie McKenzie was capable & brought decent players (which he hasn't) do you really think the team would be any better?  Not me.


Does Allen really sound like he loves to be a Raider?  How often has he said that?  How often has he referred to Raider history & 'lore'??


Flashback to Hue Jackson .... I will never forget the passion this man showed that year and especially the weekend Al Davis passed away & the game they won in Houston.  This man WANTED to be a Raider and he pleaded with the fans to support the Raiders .... do we hear that from Allen?  Nope.


Mark Davis ..... time to move on.  By the way, when a big corporation (like yours with hundreds of millions of dollars in resources) need to replace an executive / leader .... they don't call old friends of the business.  They hire a major executive search firm ..... you only "interview" one person (Reggie McKenzie) in a hotel room in Pleasanton, California with John Madden.    And you wonder why the past two years are the worst of the bunch!!!


Wake Up Mark!!!

JohnFerguson
JohnFerguson

Notice that the Raiders haven't discounted ticket prices or refunded any money even though they admit that the can't put a competitive team on the field. Davis has stuffed millions of dollars in his pocket since Papa Al died. Now they want the taxpayers to build these bums a new stadium.

TheHip1
TheHip1

DA should get one more year. Playoffs or unemployment. Period 

Jon8
Jon8

One SI guy says: Fire this one! Another says: Fire that one! Trotter says: Don't fire Allen! Collectively SI was calling for the head of Schiano!


Here's a thought. None of you at SI knows what the Hell you are talking about, so butt out!


Leave the hiring and firing to the Team's owner!

JohnKoehl
JohnKoehl

The worse organization in professional sports. Since their SB appearance in 2003 they are something like 70+ games under .500 and nowhere near a playoff berth.. Add to that they play in the dump. Sell the team little Davis to someone who knows what the h.ll he's doing and can bring this team back to respectability. Is Eddie D. still interested?

ShanahanSUCKSSS
ShanahanSUCKSSS

I love the Raiders, have my entire life.  The portion of Raider Nation destroying DA and Reggie make me EMBARRASSED to be a Raider fan.  The fanbase needs to show more intelligence, there's a reason why we're the laughing stock of the league.

brihowden
brihowden

Your comments like your vocabulary are ridiculous.

brihowden
brihowden

Ummm I'm curious so your saying this is the same offence that Hugh Jackson had in the 2011 season. It's not so let's not compare apples and refrigerators.

DennyCrane
DennyCrane

@saulbJackson deserved more time? He has a huge hand in the current fiasco. He sold the farm to get the INT machine Carson Palmer in a crazy last ditch effort to save his job and take over the organization.

RoderickDaniels
RoderickDaniels

@saulb You clearly do not watch or pay any sort of attention to this team. You obviously have no idea who on that 2011 team isn't with the team anymore. Kamerion Wimberly? Gone. Released. Why? Salary cap. Do you know that the team has nine new starters on defense? Clearly you don't. Did you read in the article where it said that the nine new starters on defense were brought in because they could be acquired on the cheap? Clearly you didn't. Allen isn't the problem. Allen didn't trade picks away. He needs to stay.

GaryRaiders
GaryRaiders

@SteveBliss  

I don't know what's more pathetic, that some 'so-called' Raider fans actually think that continuing down the same path of losing is a good idea or that those same people actually think that with the upcoming cap bonanza and good draft location that there isn't a REAL head coach with REAL experience that wouldn't LOVE to come here.

SteveBliss
SteveBliss

@ReedWright Then you must also like the status quo of firing a coach every 1-2 years. Because that worked so well the past 10 years.

GaryRaiders
GaryRaiders

@RaiderFan27526 

Well I've been a fan since I was 5 as well and I have you beat by a 'few' years so I'm not sure how YOU become the judge of what a 'supposed' Raider Fan is.  If you are content with losing, YOU are the supposed fan.  I wonder where all of you 'Keep DA' fanboys will scurry to when this supposed turn-around never materializes?  I know where I will be, still leading the Fire DA charge.  Something tells me if I look over my shoulder YOU will be there, on the bandwagon.  I LOVE this franchise and NO ONE is going to tell me that I'm a supposed fan because I feel we deserve better than a 1 year coordinator that got hired with NO experience as a head coach.

bhayes420
bhayes420

@yummypeaches I agree with all your points except on Reggie McKenzie.  How can he bring in ANY talent with their cap problems?  The article mentioned that this year they are carrying over $50 million dollars in dead cap money.  That's money they are paying to players not on the team!  That comes from Al.   They have no QB, but that's not all McKenzie's fault.  Al traded away picks and made stupid picks like crazy for the last few years.  The cupboard was literally bare when McKenzie and Allen arrived.  It's going to take time.  I'm a fan of the Raiders, and hard as it is, it's going to take a few more years and a little luck to get appreciably better.  

brihowden
brihowden

So you don't think missing tacked, and piss poor play had anything to do with it. Here's an adjustment tackle someone.

bhayes420
bhayes420

@AntawnW Disagree with you on every point.  What players does Allen have to rally?  An undrafted rookie QB?  McFadden was a walking injury before Allen got there.  Hue Jackson tried to pull a power play that totally backfired on him.  He let his own arrogance get in his way.  And Gruden can coach, but not many like him coming through the pipeline.  Allen can win in this league, with some players!  

AngelChavez
AngelChavez

Jump into someone else's bandwagon hommie your problem solved

yummypeaches
yummypeaches

@JohnFergusonLOL . The Raiders are the only franchise to share a stadium with a baseball team . The next step would be for the NFL to step in and assist in moving the team .

yummypeaches
yummypeaches

@TheHip1The next step would be to fire McKenzie . The next GM would be the one who decides DA's fate .

GaryRaiders
GaryRaiders

@ShanahanSUCKSSS 

Yeah, it's called our joke of a head coach....and all the bum fans saying we should keep him.  Kind of like you.

SteveBliss
SteveBliss

@GaryRaiders@SteveBlissIt aint money that prevents them from coming to the Raiders. How much ever this "cap bonanza" will afford the Raiders to spend will be able to be matched by any other team, not that they will need to. And some of us would rather see that money spent on players rather than yet another coach who will just get fired in a year, especially when the current coach has not been given a chance to coach after the team has worked their way through all the cap mess. If they do fire DA, next year at this time you will be on here calling for the Raiders to fire whatever third-rate coach they hired.

SteveBliss
SteveBliss

@GaryRaiders@RaiderFan27526 No sorry but any so-called Raider fan who wants them to continue the cycle of firing the coach every 1-2 years are the ones who are content with losing. The futility of the last decade must not have bothered you at all. I wonder where all of you "Fire DA" wannabe GMs will be, if the Raiders do fire DA and a year  from today the Raiders are once again sitting here with 3-4 wins late in the season, even with whatever free-agents they sign with all the cap money they have or the new players they get in the draft. You won't admit that you were wrong. No, you'll just be on here once again calling for yet another head coach to be fired; scratching your head and wondering why the Bill Cowhers and Lovie Smiths and John Grudens wouldn't even interview, let alone take the job and have to answer to Tommy Boy.

yummypeaches
yummypeaches

@bhayes420@yummypeaches 1 pick Hayden didn't really look that good to me . Tyler Wilson was a wasted pick & you are familiar with the Matt Flynn 13 million dollar debacle . Our best qb on the roster , McGloin ,was cut by the Redskins & Panthers . We also have dead money because RM didn't cut Seymour right away . I agree with giving McKenzie another year but he needs to be put on notice . After next season we will know what we have in coach & GM . But if you look right now at RM's body of work its pretty suspect but yes I am rooting for him .

SteveBliss
SteveBliss

@GaryRaiders@ShanahanSUCKSSSIf you were a Patriots fan, after the 2000 season when the Patriots went 5-11 in Belichik's first season, you would have been all over the patriot's pages saying "We gotta fire this Belichik bum."

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SteveBliss
SteveBliss

@MikeFloros@SteveBliss@GaryRaiders Did you not read the article? Nine new starters on defense, most of whom were acquired solely because they could be gotten on the cheap. At QB we have an undrafted FA. The fact is they simply do not have the talent now to compete. This team would not be doing any better with a different, and that includes the big names that some of you actually think would consider coming to the Raiders. And I am aware of the cap-space they are going to have. That just underscores my point more. Allen should be given the chance to coach after they have had the chance to use that cap-space to fill some of the needs. Charles Woodson and Kevin Burnett both believe he should come back. I am going to assume they have a little bit more insight than you. And if the Raiders do fire DA it will be seen as an undesirable position. All the cap-space in the world isn't gonna get a Lovie Smith here if he believes he's just gonna get fired after 1-2 years. And if they did fire DA, and by some miracle they do get someone the caliber of Lovie Smith and next year, at this time they are in the same position they are in this year, you will be calling for them to fire the new coach.

MikeFloros
MikeFloros

@SteveBliss @GaryRaiders Gonna have to disagree here.  DA was supposed to be our defensive guru.  Why then, do he and Tarver blitz like crazy in the 1st half, rattle a QB to his bones, and then drop to prevent in the 2nd half of just about every game?  Ahead in the 4th Q to Indy, Wash, NYG, Ten, & Dallas.  Lost all of 'em playing soft in 2nd half.  Played the Chiefs tight until DEF folded because of Pryor's inability to move the O...probably from getting sacked 9 times.  Blown out at home by the Eagles, who threw for an NFL record 7 TD's.  Blown out at home by the Chiefs, scoring 56...most ever on a Raider squad.  

I have supported DA through his process, but it's run its course.  I've seen enough bad decisions to call it a day.  The Raiders job is NOT what it was under Al.  According to www.overthecap.com, we've got $71 mil in space.  The job is more desirable than you think SteveBliss.

brihowden
brihowden

How do you figure McGloin was cut by the Panthers and Redskins, he was a walk on, and from my understanding the Raiders are the only team that worked him out.

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