Now It Gets Real

And now, from Clevelandia …

(Tony Dejak/AP)
(Tony Dejak/AP)

The Browns coaching hire. It’s a tangled web in Cleveland—and I say that with much respect for Mike Pettine, hired as the eighth head coach in the reconstituted Browns’ 15-year history. Pettine did a fabulous job with the Bills in his one year as coordinator (Buffalo sacks in 2012: 36; in 2013: 57) and should breathe life into a team that underperformed on defense this season. But you get the feeling at the end of the coaching search that Pettine was the ultimate compromise candidate. In the final days before the hire, Cleveland rekindled its pursuit of Josh McDaniels, and went after him hard. I have heard McDaniels was the apple of owner Jimmy Haslam’s eye from the time a four-man team of Browns officials met with McDaniels in New England for seven-and-a-half hours on Wild Card Saturday, and that GM Mike Lombardi had at least two conversations with McDaniels about re-entering the coaching derby in the days after New England’s loss to Denver in the AFC title game.

I have also heard, after Bill Belichick pushed hard for his friend Greg Schiano to get in the Cleveland race, that some in the Browns’ hierarchy were revved up by Schiano’s interview with the club early last week. But the Browns have the same old problem they’ve had since the weekend that the late owner of the team, Al Lerner, put his stamp of approval on Tim Couch as the first pick of the expansion Browns in 1999: They don’t have a long-term quarterback of the future (unless Brian Hoyer, 28, is far better than he’s shown in his four-team, four-start NFL career), and they don’t have anyone to coach one. That’s the biggest problem with the Browns now. There’s no consensus as to who will be the offensive coordinator, and certainly no consensus as to whom the team will draft in May for the new coordinator to coach. And what if the Browns, who love Johnny Manziel, are trumped in their effort to draft Manziel by another team—assuming Johnny Football is the top quarterback on the board, which is too early to say now. The Browns have gone six straight seasons with at least 11 losses, and they are far from out of the woods.

On Adam Gase. The Denver offensive coordinator did the smart thing, as did his former boss in Denver, McDaniels. The coaches of Peyton Manning (Gase) and Tom Brady (McDaniels) both withdrew from the search in Cleveland and will be back piloting their explosive offenses with legendary quarterbacks in 2014 rather than coaching the Browns. Gase is 35 and has a bright future. “I really like Gase,” Manning told me last week. “I like playing for guys that are smarter than me and work as hard as me.” The Browns never got a great handle on Gase, and he certainly wouldn’t have heard good things about the organization from his father-in-law, Joe Vitt, an NFL lifer on the New Orleans staff, or from Denver director of pro personnel Tom Heckert, the former Browns GM who left the team last year with bitter feelings. Gase is better riding out Manning’s last two years (my guess) with him and then seeing if a team with a brighter future wants him.

Speaking of McDaniels … Which no one in Denver likes to do. People in Denver figure McDaniels “ran off” Jay Cutler, which he didn’t do, and then drafted Tim Tebow and got fired in the midst of a crash-and-burn 4-12 season. So the venom spews. But let’s be fair here. Look around the Broncos roster, which McDaniels had control of in 2009 and 2010. From the 2009 draft: Knowshon Moreno (1,586 yards from scrimmage and 13 touchdowns this year), defensive end Robert Ayers (sack of Tom Brady in the AFC title game) and special-teams captain David Bruton are here. From the 2010 draft: the two leading receivers—Demaryius Thomas (92 catches, 14 touchdowns) and Eric Decker (87 catches, 11 TDs)—are here, plus starting guard Zane Beadles. Tim Tebow’s not here, of course. And the Tebow thing colors everything about McDaniels’ legacy. It should be considered, to be sure. But let me ask you this question: If Thomas and Decker hadn’t been on the roster when Peyton Manning was considering what team to choose 22 months ago, are you really that sure Manning would have signed with the Broncos? He has said time and again that when he compared teams, he liked the young receivers that Denver had. Who would have been in their place, and would they have passed Manning’s muster? Or would be have looked at Larry Fitzgerald and the Manning-friendly offense of Ken Whisenhunt in Arizona a little more fondly? Point is, McDaniels shouldn’t be a Denver pariah in this Super Bowl week. He should be thanked.

Talk Back

Have a question or comment for Peter? Email him at talkback@themmqb.com and it might be included in Tuesday’s mailbag.

Gil Brandt on Manziel. A few league people raised their eyebrows when the godfather of the draft, Gil Brandt, put 6-0 Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel No. 1 on his first draft board. I asked Brandt why he did it. “I do have a tremendous belief in him,” Brandt said. “You are going to get 110% out of this guy every day of his life, every play of his life. If you don’t have a quarterback, and you want one, I believe this guy has a great chance to be good for a long time. This guy had an inferior team. And he beat Alabama, he beat Oklahoma. He’s down 29 to Duke in the last game of his college career, and he’s on the sidelines saying, ‘There is no way we are going to lose.’ This guy’s a better version of Fran Tarkenton.” About Manziel’s love of the parties, Brandt said, “He’s had a chance to do some things, at age 18, 19, 20 and 21, because of the financial backing of his grandfather, but the more I’ve looked into him, I just don’t believe it’s going to hold him back from being really good. The one thing coach [Tom] Landry told me a long time ago is you look for the good, not for the bad.”

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A Lil Q&A with Lil Wayne, of all things.

(Christopher Polk/Getty Images)
(Christopher Polk/Getty Images)

Well, I never thought I’d be interviewing a rapper for The MMQB. But one of our writers, Robert Klemko, knew how passionate a football fan Lil Wayne is, and Klemko met his publicist, and one thing led to another, and Tuesday night the publicist said to me: “I’m patching you through to Wayne.” The mega-Packers fan is opinionated about a lot of things in football—his Pack, Richard Sherman, Peyton Manning, why he loves football above all other games, and his own football history: “I was a fullback when I played. I tell people that, and they don’t believe me. I loved to be like Christian Okoye, the Nigerian Nightmare.” The greatest hits from a chat with 31-year-old New Orleans native Dwayne Michael Carter Jr.:

How he became a Packers fan

“They won the Super Bowl in my hometown, and I was hooked. I am not missing a Packers game. Never. I don’t care what kind of world I am in, where I am. When the Packers are playing, I’m watching. This year was tough. When A-Rod [Aaron Rodgers] went down, I was in a lot of pain.”

Why he loves football

“It’s such a natural thing … I don’t know, really. I love it more than anything. The physicality of it, I think. On Sundays, I just sit there, and everybody knows—no phone calls. It’s understood by the people around me—when the games are on, no calls for him.”

Richard Sherman

“To me, the Richard Sherman thing … I think he does it, I don’t want to say for attention, I don’t believe it’s for attention, but I believe there is a technique to what he is doing. It all of a sudden doesn’t seem so natural. It seems like it used to be Richard Sherman loves to trash talk, but now, it’s kind of a technique. Not natural. I’ve seen people go back at him, and when they tell him something back or he gets his face busted, there’s no more barking. That tells me, I’m really not like this, I’m really not aggressive. I think it’s Richard Sherman mouthing off … I know the media likes to say he’s backing it up with his play. Well, Richard Sherman comes from the same place I come from, the street, and he’s doing a lot of talking where he really can’t back it up. I think he’s a shutdown player. But a great player? No. Great? I don’t think he’s a great player. Now if he plays great against Peyton, that will be huge. If he performs tremendously, that will [change things].”

Peyton Manning

“He is special. He is one of a kind. I am glad I am able to live to see him, to see the kind of things he is doing.”

The Manning men: Father Archie and sons Cooper, Peyton and Eli

“I have a story about Peyton. A guy who has been on the road with us, he was like an uncle to us, he told us this story. When he was in jail, about to come home, he was put on one of those work-release things in New Orleans. Every morning, real early, he would clean the schoolyard of the [Isidore] Newman School [where the Manning kids attended]. Because he was a prisoner, he would have to clean the schoolyard at 4 or 5 in the morning. There was not one morning, 4:30, 5 in the morning, he wouldn’t see Archie, Peyton, Cooper, or Eli out on the field. He’d see Archie throwing passes to Cooper, or Peyton throwing routes to Cooper. I don’t know if people know this, but it was Cooper who was the prodigy. He [the roadie] would tell us the story, you know, like it was destined.”

Super Bowl XLVIII

“Honestly, I don’t want to use the word ‘surprised,’ but it is unexpected to see Seattle in the Super Bowl. I expected Peyton. He’s been there before. And I love Russell Wilson. But they are not playing in Seattle. I just can’t see Peyton losing.”

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Well, this isn’t so much of a shock, but it is stark.

Former Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum, now doing some coach-representation and TV/radio work, figured this out this week:

Of the 11 coaches hired in 2009, one remains in his job. That’s Rex Ryan of the Jets, and that was no slam dunk as December wore on.

Of the 11 general managers/personnel czars in place on the teams with new coaches in 2009, one remains in his job. That’s Detroit GM Martin Mayhew, and that was no slam dunk as December wore on.

The moral of the story? “It’s a really, really hard job,” Tannenbaum said. “The sad thing is, those numbers are probably not out of whack with other periods of time either.”

The teams that named permanent coaches in 2009, and the personnel men with them:

Team Coach GM/Personnel chief
Cleveland Eric Mangini George Kokinis
Denver Josh McDaniels Brian Xanders
Detroit Jim Schwartz Martin Mayhew
Indianapolis Jim Caldwell Bill Polian
Kansas City Todd Haley Scott Pioli
New York Jets Rex Ryan Mike Tannenbaum
Oakland Tom Cable Al Davis
St. Louis Steve Spagnuolo Billy Devaney
San Francisco Mike Singletary Scot McCloughan
Seattle Jim Mora Tim Ruskell
Tampa Bay Raheem Morris Mark Dominik

Including playoffs, Mayhew’s Lions are 29-52 in the five seasons since 2009.

Ryan’s Jets are 46-40 since 2009.

So it’s not like Mayhew has the job security of Ron Wolf and Ryan the security of Vince Lombardi.

I’m not that surprised, I guess, that 20 of the 22 lead football men on those 11 teams are gone. I guess I’m surprised that not a single one of the 22 men holding those jobs, after five seasons, has a rock-solid grip on it.

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jordanN
jordanN

It's getting really tiresome to hear all the complaining about where the Super Bowl is being played. On top of it being a thoroughly beaten dead horse, it's a game that is supposed to be played in the elements, so it's refreshing to finally see a SB played in the elements. I don't care if it means Manning might throw for less than 400 yards, that's how it's supposed to be, the elements play a factor. If I want pristine conditions I'll play Madden.

luvfoozball
luvfoozball

I agree with the comment about Russell Wilson being overrated. I dislike Pete Carroll and the Seahawks, but still I can see that Wilson does not have anywhere near the weapons that other QBs have, but he still keeps winning. He might be going through a rough patch recently... but that's expected from a second year QB. 


RobertSmith
RobertSmith

Richard Sherman already got what he wanted ... publicity to support his Beats "thug" commercial.  Now he can go back to playing football rather than manipulating the publicity machinery.  

KidHorn
KidHorn

The Sherman story should have died about 5 minutes after they beat the Niners. It's a non story made into a story by the media. Of course, Peter King doesn't realize this and beats the story to death. Typical for him. Just like Chuck Pagano last year.

Come up with something original. Peter King. Don't echo what everyone else is writing. Shame on you for passing yourself off as a credible journalist.

Jon8
Jon8

"This guy’s a better version of Fran Tarkenton.” 


Brandt also loved Blaine Gabbert!


Manziel will be the next big flop to hit the NFL. To say a guy who has never taken a snap from center in the NFL is "a better version" of a 3X Super Bowl QB and an NFL Hall of Famer, is irresponsible in the extreme!

JasonRivas
JasonRivas

Hello Peter.


Love the column, but I don't understand this Little Wayne person and why there was a need to get his input. Seems rather pointless, as he's nothing but a marginal entertainer. I use the word entertainer loosely.

ShifterKart
ShifterKart

I liked what he said. I thought it was fine. The gay liberal media is just trying to make a big deal out of nothing and further wussing down the US...

gary7
gary7

Esiason to Monk! Bet you didn't know they ever played on the same team....we did but it sure sounds like you did not, but then again you tried your hardest to keep him OUT of the HOF.

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

OH CRAP! I just got to the part where he said hes done complaining about the SB in cold weather (which absolutely counts, #58!)   PLEEEEASE PK, Ill give YOU $100 if you just gripe 2 more times about it!

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

Only 1 team from NY has ever won the Super Bowl. The '69 Jets. (yep they were still in NY then, and i mean the REAL NY (read:not Buffalo))

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

I see Petey mentioned again for the 57th time he doesnt like the SB bein played in NY/NJ! PLEASE petey, cry and moan just three more times this week before sunday about how you dont like it, that way I can win the $1000 pool im in! (yes, I bet 60 times, youve gone on 57 times I know about....if anyone has a definitive list of all his boo-hoos about this years SB in cold weather, Ill give you $100 for it - if it gets me to 60!)

PhillyPenn
PhillyPenn

Did you ever notice that when people are talking about Richard Sherman that many of them mention how intelligent he is and that he went to Stanford?  Why don't people do the same thing about Andrew Luck or just about any other Stanford grad who is in the NFL?  Just askin'.

Dani
Dani

The wind and the snow will be some factors against Manning. So if it's snowing, that will mean troubles ahead for Manning. Under a dome, i can easily predict a Broncos victory, but next sunday with that bad weather, anything is possible. 

kingwhat
kingwhat

The Harris Poll has new research numbers stating that Pro Football is over three times more popular than Major League Baseball. An unimpeachable source whispered in my ear that Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe is demanding an apology from the Harris pollsters.  And, it better be a good one.

CobyPreimesberger
CobyPreimesberger

yeah your latest forecast talking about forecast yesterday was 60 % of precip, today it's down to 20 % but 10 mph winds which could be a factor

RayHuggyBearYoung
RayHuggyBearYoung

I am not an East coast person but I find it to be such a joke that the local teams and this Superbowl all call themselves New York yet play every single snap in New Jersey.

KKortman
KKortman

@luvfoozball it all boils down to wins and losses and there isn't anybody in the league over the past two seasons or in their first two years in football, like him, that can match his record.  the defense and running game are great but without those amazing passes, 40 yards down field, thrown with pinpoint accuracy to Kearse, Tate, Baldwin, we would't have those wins.  I don't care if he only throws four completions a game, if they are all 40 yard bombs for touchdowns and it gets us to 28 points while we keep the other team to less than 20 points (which happened a lot this year) then I will take that.  


The intangible though is that this kid just finds a way to win.  Ask people who played him in pop warner, high school, college and the pros.  He just finds a way to win.  He's like Jordan at the buzzer.  If the ball is in his hands with a chance to win at the end of the game he gets the win.  In his rare losses he has taken his team down the field and scored and the defense (yes, that vaunted defense) ended up giving up points to the other team during their two minute drill, happened in San Fran and Indy and I believe Arizona this year and in Atlanta in the playoffs last year.  (research that and tell me I'm wrong).  


The bet I'm most interested in this weekend is my prop bet that the Seahawks win by more than 22, it's pays +10000.  We'll see.  

Ilovemesomeme
Ilovemesomeme

@luvfoozball Eh, lack of WR options?  Sure.  He also has a better defense than every other QB in the league, and a better running game than at least 28-29 of them.  He doesn't "keep winning," the Seahawks "keep winning." 


As I noted previously, they won their divisional game with Wilson completing 8 passes for 100 yards.  They won at least two regular season game earlier this year despite worse performances than that. 

KKortman
KKortman

@RobertSmith the fact that he's a better football player than you and I is a given, the fact that he's a better marketer of himself than you and I are of ourselves is now also a given.  If I were him I would partner with uggs to make me a pair of boots called "thuggs"  by richard sherman.  Tom Brady would be the first to buy a pair.  


And all through his promotional machinations he's actually been playing football, quite well I might add.  

KKortman
KKortman

@LolaSorento that's his 550k a year girlfriend, wait till you see his 5 million a year girlfriend next year.  

KKortman
KKortman

@gary7 yeah and what nil analyst doesn't watch the entire pro bowl either, it takes an hour if you dvr it and skip through the commercials.  Isn't that kinda his job?  I watched the game, mostly because I had  team Sanders and the under but still.  Unimaginable to me that you don't watch the game just out of respect for the game and because you are a writer.  

Ilovemesomeme
Ilovemesomeme

@PhillyPenn I honestly think there is a racial undertone there.  It's almost like we should all be completely surprised that an African American graduated from there. 


I'm not.

Rumrunner11
Rumrunner11

@PhillyPennWell for starters nobody shoved him in the face at the press conference.  That probably would have got him going again, just like the Niners game.......

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@PhillyPennWell... I think in part because it's a part of American culture to consider blacks as intellectually inferior.

HarryTurner
HarryTurner

And, for all of Sherman's intelligence and pedigree from Stanford, you'd think he'd learn to stop all the trash talking he does. It is funny that in a room of 200+ reporters he acted like a perfect angel. What a moron.

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

@PhillyPenn @SemperFiDTM Judging by your screen name, youre either from Pennsylvania...or Pango Pango. Point is, theres NY 1 and NY 2. NY 1 is the NYC/LI area. NY 2 is everywhere else, and doesnt count. Some of the big

HarryTurner
HarryTurner

Oh, here we go with that white vs. black think. What utter nonsense!

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@HarryTurner What about hormone synthesis? By that I mean that during a press conference it's not likely that there would a need for that fight or flight scenario. But in a game than the fight or flight response would be more appropriate. 

Checkout this crying baby study: 

http://www.livescience.com/17461-baby-cries-increase-testosterone.html 

Also checkout what happened when Sherman was forced to stop trash talking by his high school coach.

Sometimes, Sherman’s brashness grew distracting, but when Donerson tried stifling him, his performance suffered.

“He moped around like a dog that’s been kicked,” Donerson said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/sports/football/seahawks-richard-sherman-is-much-more-than-just-talk.html


Considering the affects that cognitive responses can have on the endocrine system and it's synthesis of hormones like testosterone then I think that it's possible that Sherman's trash talking could have physiological benefits to his athletic performance.

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

@nyjets011269 @SemperFiDTM @PhillyPenn DAMN...i was tryin to test Philly's knowledge, not another insane Jets fan like myself...but good catch all the same! (Somehow, I feel like if Stephen Hill reads that hell feel his job security threatened. Even more.)

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

@PhillyPenn The Jets started playing in the Polo Grounds in '59, then moved to Shea in '64 (Both in Queens, NYC)

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

@PhillyPenn Besides, Buffalo never won the SB. (Lost 4 in a row, a record. And one more reason not to consider them real NY'ers)

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@Gawain3@Kenny2Thorough@HarryTurner Do you think Sherman is kind of like Thomas Edison as far as self promotion?

 http://www.qualitylogoproducts.com/blog/thomas-edison-self-promotion/

My first impression of Sherman was that he was kind of annoying and a bit of a jerk. That was the extent of it. But after the NFC finals I did a little research on the internet so since then I've been a fan. 

I'm trying to empathize with your perspective and the part you said about Sherman not respecting the game. But I'm having a tough time doing it. I feel like I don't know enough about you to understand where you're coming from. You said you've been watching the NFL for 40 years so I'm guessing you're at least over 50. But I don't know what part of the country you're from or your family background other than white.

You described the Erin Andrews interview as near violent. In the Sound FX video we get to see what happened right before the Fox telecast began. At around the 1 minute mark we see Sherman smile and huge Andrews and says something that isn't audible. Andrews also smiles but they both go back to more serious expressions by the time the live Fox telecast switched to their camera at the beginning of the interview.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/0ap2000000316744/Sound-FX-Sherman-and-Crabtree-clash


At the end of the video Sherman climbs into the stands and celebrates with the crowd. Sherman's mannerism while celebrating with fans was similar to his interview with Andrews.

BillRobinson
BillRobinson

@Gawain

Everybody's entitled to their opinion, and the Internet sure makes it easy to express it. Personally, I don't see him discrediting himself or anyone else, and he doesn't see it's necessary to use the f-word. It's interesting that you're still hung up on this episode, but hopefully you'll get over it some day. I have a lot of respect for Sherman.

Gawain3
Gawain3

@Kenny2Thorough@HarryTurner Latent anger?  Hmmmm, not exactly sure what that might be, but, yeah, I'm white, and totally fed up with hearing one more argument about how everyone is trying to beat down Sherman because he's black.  We all know he's black.  Get over it.  Move on.  We also understand that he's talented.  And, you know what?  My hat's off to him for getting out of that hell hole called Compton?  (I didn't see him moving his daddy out of there, though.)  And, hell, my hat's off to him for getting that scholarship to Stanford, and getting that 3.9 GPA that he's always boasting about.  What an Ivy League education.  Now, if he'd use that education and stop disrespecting the game as much as he's been doing!  He's brought discredit upon himself, upon Stanford, upon the team he's playing on.  For all of his intelligence, I'm amazed he can't see this.  And, for all of the talk about black and white and what some might stereotype as "intellectually inferior", what a crock by the way, none of us were talking about his lack of intelligence.  We were talking about the nonstop trash talking he does and the constant boasting he does.  Sherman doesn't deserve to be playing on any NFL team until he can learn a little humility and learn how to respect the game.  And, if I hear him talk one more time about:  "But, I do so many things for the community.  I do so many charities."  Who the f---- cares what he does when he completely destroys that image by trying to pick a fight with Crabtree at a charity event.  When does any of Sherman's egomaniacal behavior ever end?!  Is there any end to his lack of intelligence in this regard?!!!!!

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@MichaelDuerre@HarryTurner The obvious focus is black vs white but I think it's more than just that. 

The last forced sterilization from the legacy of the pro eugenics movement was in 1981.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ZFBWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jesDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6596,4132204 

Although blacks where obvious targets, compulsory sterilization in America wasn't composed of racially based genocidal policies. It took a different turn in Germany.

I think I have a problem relating to hormone synthesis stimulated by cognitive thoughts. I don't know for sure but that's what I think it is. It's basically social anxiety. But not just in social situations. Even if I'm alone. But to balance that I try to think through emotions even if I don't actually feel them in proportions that I believe are appropriate when compared to someone with a normally functioning endocrine system. I'm not a sociopath. In fact I'm kind of hyper sensitive sometimes. But also other times I fantasize about ending all life on earth. But I know I'll never be powerful enough to do it and after reflecting on it then nor would I want to. But I feel like my hesitation to trust the natural biological processes that effect moods and emotions has sort of forced me to intellectualize how I should feel rather than just going along with natural feelings because I don't trust the appropriateness of the underlining biological processes. 


So I think that's why I often try to ponder the actual biological reasons for human behavior rather than rely on my own emotions.

MichaelDuerre
MichaelDuerre

@HarryTurnerThe fact is that throughout America's history, those who believed in white supremacy and white superiority DID preach the intellectual inferiority of blacks.  Scientists tried to use eugenics and cranial mass theory to prove it--all the way into the early to mid-1900s.  Society used racist imagery and propagated stereotypes that played on the prevailing view that blacks were not as smart as whites.  White society passed Jim Crow laws that segregated school, which prevented generations of African Americans from receiving quality education so that white supremacists could continue to push the "dumb, ignorant negro" stereotype for as long as possible.  This was the reality in much of the United States into the 1960s.  Just because the laws have changed and help equalize society in terms of opportunity doesn't mean that the views of large segments of society have changed in the past 50 years.  Go look on any comment board and read the comments about blacks.  Saying that Kenny's comment was nonsense is nonsense itself.

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@HarryTurner It's not just a black vs white thing. I'm actually a black African American and I grew up in a high crime neighborhood. I'm a bit eccentric but not eccentric insane. 

But it seems that you have a lot of latent anger regarding black vs white. But I don't know your background so I don't know what to make of it. 

But it's not just about inter ethnic relations but how blacks view themselves. Sherman has larger aspirations to change cultural attitudes towards education.

Gawain3
Gawain3

@Kenny2Thorough @HarryTurner Lol, well, that certainly would be a different approach.  I would love to see Pete Carroll stifling Sherman.  I just don't see that happening.  It would be entertaining, for sure, to see Sherman going around the field boo hooing like a wounded dog, though.

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@PhillyPenn@Kenny2ThoroughYeah. Like, during a game than the payoffs of trash talk is different than for a press conference. If we assumed that trash talking does affect hormone levels in a why that aides athletic performance for his particular style of play then his incentive to trash talk during a press conference may have different triggers than it would for an actual NFL game.

PhillyPenn
PhillyPenn

@Kenny2Thorough 99% of people have no idea what the endocrine system is and half of them wouldn't be able to pass an Anatomy & Physiology class so I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.  However, I do agree with you about the effects external stimuli and hormone production.

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