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Standing PAT … For Now

The NFL is pondering a longer extra point—42 yards?—but don't expect anything to happen quickly. Plus, why Jimmy Graham will remain a Saint, a Patriots-Texans trade scenario and reader reaction to the n-word debate

Three hot topics and then your mail, in a league that never sleeps:

For now, the extra point’s not going anywhere, though it should.

Judy Battista of the NFL Digital Media Group wrote Monday that the Competition Committee, at its Florida meeting, is considering a proposal to move the extra point to the 25-yard line, effectively making the extra point a 42-yard field goal, and could experiment with the new way in the preseason. As I wrote in the fall, there’s a very, very slight chance the owners would pass such a rule this year for the regular season, and nothing has changed.

Even in the unlikely event the Competition Committee approves the move and recommends it to the owners, there’s no way 24 of 32 owners will approve a rule that is seen as if-it-ain’t-broke-don’t-fix-it about the game. So this is a great debate to start, but I don’t believe we’ll see a change in the current mode of the PAT for three or four years. Owners need time to be convinced of something that isn’t pressing (it happened in instant replay, which languished for years before being passed), and the extra point is no different.

Many have asked why the PAT must be changed, and the answer is simple: It’s not even remotely a competitive football play any more. In the past three seasons, kickers have made 3,691 of 3,709 PATs. That’s one extra point missed per 207 kicks tried … one PAT missed per 43 games. The point has been around since 1912, and my stance is simple: If you invented the game today, would you include a play worth one point that was designed to be so lopsided in favor of the offense? I doubt it. Which is why the league eventually has to fix it.

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The fate of Jimmy Graham.

Lots of discussion Monday about what will happen to tight end Jimmy Graham in free agency. It’s an intriguing question. Will someone, probably picking near the end of the first round, surrender first-round picks in 2014 and 2015, plus make Graham, 28, the highest-paid tight end in NFL history (at $12 million or $13 million per year)?

Jimmy Graham was tagged as a tight end, but is expected to file a grievance to be paid as a wide receiver. (Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)
Jimmy Graham was tagged as a tight end, but is expected to file a grievance to be paid as a wide receiver. (Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

First, I would never do it. Let’s say Seattle—with a tight end need—was interested in Graham. The Seahawks have about $15 million in cap room, which shouldn’t be the big reason why they would either sign Graham or not sign him. Remember the important thing: In one year, three of the top players on the roster—Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas—are all eligible to negotiate new deals. Sherman and Thomas would be free agents; Wilson would have a year left on his rookie deal but likely will seek to re-do a contract he has vastly outperformed. The question is not whether Seattle could do the deal for Graham; the question is, with all the big-money deals coming due, whether Seattle GM John Schneider would be smart to sign a player who has hardly been at his best in the postseason, which is where Seattle expects to play for years. (Graham caught one ball for eight yards in his last six playoff quarters of the postseason just past.)

Finally, there is the question of salary management for very good players. Those two first-round picks likely would be key contributors for several years, and Seattle would have them at a team-friendly average of about $1.7 million per year. So you’re not only adding a salary of $12 million per year in Graham; you’re subtracting two top prospects, likely starters, at a favorable salary. Graham would be great, and the Seahawks or Patriots or another team with a crying tight end need would love having him … but the cost is excessive, if you ask me.

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Always find some good info in the Super Bowl DVD, and this one’s no different.

“Super Bowl XLVIII Champion Seattle Seahawks” is out this morning, produced by NFL Films and Cinedigm. It’s available on DVD and iTunes—here’s the trailer. Other than some colorful stuff from Richard Sherman throughout the season—surprise: he was miked often—the star of the show was Russell Wilson. We did find out that when Sherman tipped the pass away from Michael Crabtree on the decisive play of the NFC title game, these were his words when he finally chased Crabtree down: “Hell of a game! Hell of a game!” But a couple of things in the Super Bowl rout of the Broncos really brought Wilson into focus.

Before halftime, when the Seahawks had built a 22-0 lead, Wilson was taking nothing for granted. He said to his offensive mates: “We gotta have a great second half! Get your mind tuned in. Let’s go be world champions!” And later, with Seattle up 43-8 as the clock wound down, he said to an unseen teammate on the bench: “I’m locked in, you know? Just being in the moment. Just checking the play. Just going up to the line of scrimmage and knowing what I’m doing. What’s my reads? What’s my checks? What’s my possible alerts?’’ You come away from the DVD thinking Wilson’s got the respect and the pulse of the team, and his team trusts him implicitly.

The other interesting thing to me about the Super Bowl footage is how dejected the Broncos looked and acted often during the game. Shellshocked too, from Peyton Manning to Champ Bailey to John Fox. After the Malcolm Smith tipped pick returned for a touchdown, Manning came to the sideline and, bewildered, asked offensive coordinator Adam Gase: “What happened?’’ As usual, the ghost of Steve Sabol shone through the DVD. It’s continuing evidence NFL Films is still very much on its A-game.

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roberttincal20141
roberttincal20141

John p, this particular is going to poke a little bit.. The actual Patriots ought to buy and sell ones little Tommy as well as keep Mallet. This way, they might have a QB that will place the particular soccer ball a lot more than 5 back yards in the evening distinct scrimmage.

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skanee00
skanee00

While pondering some deep thoughts, I came up with another idea.  Make all kicks at goal worth 2 points.  Field goals and conversions after touchdowns would be worth two points.  Move the line of scrimmage for the conversion attempt from the 2.5 to the 12.5 yard line.  So, the kick after touchdown would be 30 yards.  I don't think it would be a good idea to make it longer than that, because what if conditions were windy?

ShreyaChoudhary
ShreyaChoudhary

Here is an idea... Tie the extra point to the coin toss. Team wins the coin toss they can receive (then they have the ability to go for 1 after TD's in the 1st half), defer then they must go for 2 after TD's in the first half. In the second half the options change but both teams can always go for 2 points after TD's

http://www.govtportal.in

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

petey! no mention about the bucs new uniforms? Some GREAT tweets out there..."Tampa looked at Marylands unis and said "yeah...we can make those worse"....."The bucs are gonna look like running alarm clocks" HAHAHAH

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

Tom McManus letter about the salary cap is exactly why I dont attend football games in person. I refuse to be exhorted. Ill pay the cable fees and visit websites such as this for my football fix. If that doesnt make me a "die-hard fan", well...ok then! But to all those taking out a second mortgage on your home so you can afford a PSL, and build man caves in your home for your team, ask yourself: Is that team, its players, coaches, managers, etc. that loyal to you as you are to them? You know what the answer is.....

Buck2185
Buck2185

Peter, this is going to sting a little bit..The Patriots should trade your little Tommy and keep Mallet. This way, they would have a QB who will throw the ball more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. This would open up a lot more plays the patriots could employ. Additionally, Mallet would likely handle pressure a lot better, as opposed to diving to the ground as soon as a defensive player is within 3 yards of him.....

mbeaty
mbeaty

"The point has been around since 1912, and my stance is simple: If you invented the game today, would you include a play worth one point that was designed to be so lopsided in favor of the offense? I doubt it."  PK. 

Agreed.  But I argue that there are many other more important things that need to be fixed prior to amending the innocuous PAT.  E.G. If you invented the game today, would you use chain links as a unit of measure?  If you invented the game today, would you make the refs use some mental Law of Cosines to properly place a punt that went out-of-bounds?  Or, along those lines, if you invented the game today, would you allow the refs to use their best eye judgement to properly place a ball following a scrum?

Go Pack Go!

BrownieDog
BrownieDog

Here is one Browns fan that would love to get Kirk Cousins in trade for that high 2nd round pick mentioned, especially with Kyle Shanahan as our new Offensive Coordinator.

help4mac1
help4mac1

Cousins over Mallet? That will come back to haunt you. Rodgers also warmed the bench for years.

ChadCollins9
ChadCollins9

I think they better change the amount of times the qb is allowed to pass per game.  I also believe its time to make the game longer and make 9 qtrs, not 4.  Its time to change the shape of the ball too.  Make it a square instead.     


All of these things make about as much sense as what this idiot is doing.  He is changing HISTORY with this nonsense.  They might as well burn Canton to the ground. 

skanee00
skanee00

Touchdowns probably need to be usually worth more than two field goals. If scoring the extra point was too unreliable, it might make more sense to simply kick field goals once you got inside the 30, rather than continue trying to score a touchdown and risk a turnover.

PAT's are like short puts in golf. They seem routine, but you have to watch because they're not 100%. The problem nowadays is they're too close to 100%. Maybe placing the ball a little further back on the ten after a touchdown would solve the problem.

JeffYoung
JeffYoung

Changing the extra point to one of these stupid gimmick ideas will be the last straw for me. It may be near automatic but when its missed it is huge and its TRADITION. What the hell is wrong with people today? Pathetic.


A couple changes that could be logical would be going to the college hashes (which should happen anyway) and the ball is placed at the 2 yard line at the hash mark based on where the TD was scored just like any other play, this would lead to some tougher angles adding to the challenge (and bring the game back to its origins instead of bastardizing a great game), add in the college rule that allows the defense to return a block for 2 and you have fixed something that isn't broken.


The extra point may seem like a silly place to draw a line but these ideas are ridiculous and stupid, I won't watch a ridiculous and stupid sport. Rather it would be in the game if invented today is irrelevant. Its part of the tradition of the sport. Traditions matters. 

David50
David50

jerry Jones wants the Cowboys to win ,he just doesn't know how.

PWINGS
PWINGS

"....If you invented the game today, would you include a play worth one point that was designed to be so lopsided in favor of the offense? I doubt it...."

Everyone understands the boredom that the extra point being successful is a foregone conclusion. 

So in the proposed solution, here are a couple of issues:

1) What happens to the two-point conversion? Is it also attempted from the 25 yard line? Does it go by the wayside?

2) The extra point is only awarded one point precisely because it is such a short kick. Wouldn't a better solution be to award more points based on the length of the kick? This would be similar reasoning to the three-point shot in basketball. For that matter, that same reasoning could (should?) apply to field goals throughout the game.

At the end of the day, the owners won't resolve this problem based on fairness or reason. They'll resolve it based on money. They'll figure out a way to use the time after a touchdown as an opportunity for a media timeout (much the same as they do when a play is being challenged and under review). Once they've solved that and can generate addition TV revenue with more commercials, the change will be implemented. The owners only understand money.

raintreepro
raintreepro

Here is an idea... Tie the extra point to the coin toss. Team wins the coin toss they can receive (then they have the ability to go for 1 after TD's in the 1st half), defer then they must go for 2 after TD's in the first half. In the second half the options change but both teams can always go for 2 points after TD's

Now the coin toss and the extra point have meaning

Redskins
Redskins

Just eliminate the PAT kick in favor of the 2-point run/pass conversion.

Taurus97
Taurus97

The Steelers aren't going to go for this.  A 43 yard kick is a challenge in Heinz field.

usameos6
usameos6

One thing that I heard on the radio yesterday that I didn't know and hadn't seen anywhere is that it's an NFL office that actually decides the position of a player's franchise tag - this has been portrayed as a battle between Graham and the Saints (and legitimately the difference in contract numbers are) - but the actual "Is he tagged as a TE or a WR" decision happens at the NFL level - the Saints merely send in that they want to apply the franchise tag and whether it is exclusive or non-exclusive.

nfinitwordsfoto
nfinitwordsfoto

Robert Emmet really came across as kind of an idiot.  

Wow dude, you've got to chill. 

rfmunt
rfmunt

Make the extra point kick rugby.  Kick it from where ball crossed the plane.  Since TDs are reviewed anyway no real time is lost.  Also, if going for 2 pts run it from same spot...really add some variety too offensive and defensive calls.

badboykilla4rilla
badboykilla4rilla

in my fantasy league...we eliminated the TE position.  it was called the JerMonkey NigLey rule...the guy who had Jermichael Finley would get top 5 WR points from a TE.  that's like +10 WAR.  eff that.  That's how progressive my league is.  also, we banned the "n"word 5 years ago.  when it comes to modern day GMs---im one of the best

CobyPreimesberger
CobyPreimesberger

again two very precautinoary tales matt flynn and trent green, matt flynn had one good game with the packers, signed a huge deal with the sehawks beat out by russell wilson, then signs with the raiders beat out by terrol pryor, then signs to be back-up for the bills cut after a week and ends up back where he started back-up for the packers and then trent green is back-up to brady, brady gets injured has good season with the pats, signs a deal with the cheifs, but once crennell was fired, reid brought in his own guy alex smith, because smith became expenable in san fran

pk_sea
pk_sea

Man, that Cowboys fan from Texas sure was bitter. How dare Jerry Jones attend the Academy Award ceremony! 

FrankPinkney
FrankPinkney

The competitive aspect of the extra point is the option to go for two. 

Bucky182
Bucky182

Kanye West (I cringe even typing that) and his n-word titled song won a Grammy for two reasons: 1) Jay-Z's name was attached to the song - wouldn't doubt he did most of the work, either 2) The 'top' music of today lacks taste, substance, and quality as do those considered 'qualified' to judge it. Music used to be about the artist and their passion. Now its about getting six or seven writers together, repeating many of the same lines over and over again, and seeing how much money they can squeeze out of an unoriginal and overplayed song made specifically for teenie-boppers.

ProfessorGriff
ProfessorGriff

so many young blacks are so misguided and unaware of their history.  Whether you have 'er' at the end or 'a' at the end, the word is equally as disgusting.  Pick up some books and read instead of listening to 2 chainz for a minute and learn something about your culture and your standing in this country.  It is shameful that these kids are growing up thinking it is okay to kick the 'n' word around as a term of endearment.

wwroger1
wwroger1

You heard it here.  PK will call the team in Washington the Skins of Burgundy from now on.

Listening
Listening

If the NFL keeps changing the game I DEMAND they go back and change the record books.  It's clearly not fair for teams in the past to have to have had to stick to the rules the game was FOUNDED upon... now to let these rule changes in.  The NFL is talking about 40 yr extra point and do NOT get me started on how the NFL is trying to make the game into flag football.  These idiots are about to change the game to the point where it will not even be the same contest that won all the riches the NFL is receiving now.  Just months ago there was talk about getting rid of kickoffs....  This really is getting out of control.  I have been a fan my WHOLE life but I'm losing more and more interest daily.............

duckfan59
duckfan59

WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE EXTRA POINT. WE DON'T NEED MORE PLAYOFF TEAMS. WE DON'T NEED AN 18-GAME REGULAR SEASON. JUST LEAVE THE DAMN GAME ALONE.

SemperFiDTM
SemperFiDTM

@HARESH1983  LMFAO!!! Thank you Captain Obvious. but dont feel bad, you could be a Jets fan..(like me...) Least Im not getting my pants pulled down over PSL fees....which i guess is a small victory..but while ive never been to Metlife, I can swear Id never take family or the gf to the old Meadowlands....those Jets fans (well, alot of them) just give the rest of us a bad name....i mean just classless pigs...)

CoreyLivermore
CoreyLivermore

@help4mac1

So did Curtis Painter.  And Matt Flynn.  Warming the bench for an elite QB is no guarantee that said benchwarmer will be any good when given a shot to start.

JeffYoung
JeffYoung

@skanee00  This is actually a great point, maybe the PGA should allow any putt inside of 2 feet to be a gimme to speed up play. I mean how often does a PGA player miss a 2 ft or shorter putt? I am guessing about the same percentage of times an NFL kicker misses an extra point. Leave the damn game alone. I hate Goodell, how that idiot made 30 million dollars yet the guys getting the lifetime injuries so he can make 30 million dollars struggle to earn 5 million in a career is beyond me. 


The NFL is already nearly unwatchable for me, rarely do I watch any games involving teams other than my Seahawks and if that attachment didn't go back 30 years I'd probably stop watching completely, the game is terrible to watch 90% of the time and its not because of the extra point. 

ChadCollins9
ChadCollins9

@JeffYoung COMPLETELY agree man.  These people are nuts!  They might as well burn Canton to the ground

ChadCollins9
ChadCollins9

@David50 Im a Cowboys fan.  He needs to start by getting rid of the idiot Garret

akira1971
akira1971

@Taurus97 Of course they would.  The Steelers' kicker plays 8 games and practices every week so he should have the home field "advantage" of knowing more about the conditions at Heinz Field that the opponents that only come in once a year.

CoreyLivermore
CoreyLivermore

@badboykilla4rilla

You banned the N word, but can't stop yourself from using a form of it in Finley's last name.  Classy move.  Shows you really tried hard to stop using it.

EasyGoer
EasyGoer

@Bucky182  You may be correct but that's what every generation says. One more thing: you cannot nor should not assume that all blacks are comfortable with that word. In the country where I come from, I never hear black people use it. I may look like one when I am walking around the streets of America but I am not African-American and I do not use that word.

Ilovemesomeme
Ilovemesomeme

@ProfessorGriff I think the fact that the word is most commonly used in an inoffensive manner, is progress that should be commended, not looked down upon.  Aren't we better off with the word being used as an inoffensive acknowledgment of a friend?  I believe so.  If the word has evolved, why are some folks hell bent on it remaining a disgusting way of demeaning a group of people?  The fact is intent will always matter.  In this case, the intent is clearly not to demean or harm.  Let it be. 

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

@Listening  All the changes to make the game 'better' reminds me of what those in charge did to NASCAR. They kept tinkering with virtually everything until they made the sport unwatchable. From what I've read, they are STILL changing everything. I quit watching awhile ago. It appears that I've missed nothing.

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

@duckfan59  I'm 100% with you on the playoff part. And probably the 18 game schedule as well. But we will be overridden, I promise you. RogerGoodell is determined to change the sport on almost every level. Some of those ideas, by the way, make sense. Player safety especially. But I get the feeling that he is only giving lip service to that one. The fact is, in my opinion, there should be FEWER (caps for emphasis) playoff teams. No wildcards at all would work for me. If RG has his way every team will make the post season. Voila, an 18 game season.

Mike26
Mike26

@duckfan59  Well YELLING about it won't do any good.  Are you 3 years old?  Go have some apple juice and pipe down.

usameos6
usameos6

@ChadCollins9 @David50  Actually - I think it starts with getting rid of the idiot that looks back at him from the mirror - which won't ever happen.  

duckfan59
duckfan59

@Rickapolis @duckfan59Yeah, unfortunately you're probably right. I wrote on another thread that Goddell won't be happy until he completely ruins the NFL as we know, and love, it. The NFL brought in how many billions of dollars? How much is enough for Roger and the owners?

usameos6
usameos6

@Rickapolis @duckfan59  Don't forget adding a team in London as well - I think that things have hit the saturation point and there aren't any good continued growth ideas.


duckfan59
duckfan59

@Mike26 @duckfan59The caps were there for emphasis. It irritates me that they want to keep messing with a good thing. Happy now?

pk_sea
pk_sea

@duckfan59 @Mike26  DON'T LET MIKE26 GET TO YOU! IF YOU WANT TO YELL, THEN YELL! TO HELL WITH HIM! I JUST HAD A BOTTLE OF APPLE JUICE AND AM TOTALLY AMPED! WOOO!

dksherlock
dksherlock

@Mike26 @duckfan59 Oh, leave him alone and add to the football discussion.  He's a passionate fan and you're an unnecessary critic.

duckfan59
duckfan59

@Mike26 @duckfan59That's probably the first time I've used all caps. Just shows how strongly I feel about this. I've taken my Prozac (with apple juice!) and feel much better now.

Mike26
Mike26

@duckfan59 @Mike26  Emphasizing specific words is much more effective.  All caps, outside of quotes of the same ilk, lose credibility in spite of good content.

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