Jed Jacobsohn/Sports Illustrated/The MMQB
Jed Jacobsohn/Sports Illustrated/The MMQB

Stardom Doesn’t Change Where You’re From

Amid reports of gang ties, the Eagles cut DeSean Jackson. I grew up with him. I believe him to be a good person. I also know why NFL players from inner-city neighborhoods like mine in L.A. keep friends from when we were nobodies

By
Richard Sherman
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I’m not going to tell you that DeSean Jackson isn’t in a gang, because I can’t say unequivocally that he isn’t. I can’t tell you whether his friends have done the things police have accused them of doing, because I wasn’t there. I can’t tell you what DeSean does with his time, because we play football on opposite ends of the country. I can only tell you that I believe him to be a good person, and if you think, say or write otherwise without knowing the man, you’re in the wrong.

And if it’s true the Eagles terminated his contract in part because they grew afraid of his alleged “gang ties,” then they did something worse. [Editor’s note: Jackson has agreed to terms with the Redskins.]

I look at those words—gang ties—and I think about all the players I’ve met in the NFL and all of us who come from inner-city neighborhoods like mine in Los Angeles, and I wonder how many of us could honestly say we’re not friends with guys doing the wrong things.

I can’t.

I grew up in Watts, and I played baseball with DeSean in elementary school on a team coached by his father near Inglewood. His father, Bill, picked me up from elementary school 30 minutes away from his home for practice and games because my parents both worked and didn’t finish until later, and I wanted to play baseball with some childhood friends. Bill was a great coach, and a great man. He died of pancreatic cancer in 2009, the summer after his son’s rookie season. DeSean and I didn’t hang out then like we did as kids.

Those men with DeSean in the social pictures and the police reports weren’t his closest friends in childhood, but when his father died and few people were there for him, they were there. When a tragic event like that happens, the people who are around are the people who are around, and they were there for him.

I can’t change who I grew up with. What I can do is try to educate them, help them and keep them out of trouble.

Was DeSean supposed to then say, “Thanks guys, but now that I’m a millionaire, please leave me alone”? Even if he wanted to, he wouldn’t have. In desperate times for people who come from desperate communities, your friends become your family. I wouldn’t expect DeSean to “distance himself” from anybody, as so many people suggest pro athletes ought to do despite having no understanding of what that means. Going to college and playing in the NFL creates a natural distance, but we can’t push people away just because they’re not as successful as us. I can’t change who I grew up with, but what I can do is try to educate them on the right way of doing things, help them when they need it, and try to keep them out of trouble.

There is, of course, a tipping point. There have been times when I realized that someone can’t be helped, because they continue doing the wrong things. Typically, the only time I cut someone off is when they’re in jail, because I can’t help them there.

And if they’re accused of a crime, as DeSean’s friends have been, should that reflect poorly on me? Consider that for every several guys I try to help who end up dead or in jail, there’s another person I was able to rescue from a similar end. Should I give up on everybody out of fear of being dirtied by the media?

Sorry, but I was born in this dirt.

NFL teams understand that. The Seattle Seahawks get it. The Philadelphia Eagles apparently do not.

This offseason they re-signed a player who was caught on video screaming, “I will fight every n—– here.” He was representing the Philadelphia Eagles when he said it, because, of course, everything we do is reflective of the organization. But what did they do to Riley Cooper, who, if he’s not a racist, at least has “ties” to racist activity? They fined him and sent him to counseling. No suspension necessary for Cooper and no punishment from the NFL, despite its new interest in policing our use of the N-word on the field. Riley instead got a few days off from training camp and a nice contract in the offseason, too.

Commit certain crimes in this league and be a certain color, and you get help, not scorn. Look at the way many in the media wrote about Jim Irsay after his DUI arrest. Nobody suggested the Colts owner had “ties” to drug trafficking, even though he was caught driving with controlled substances (prescription pills) and $29,000 in cash to do who-knows-what with. Instead, poor millionaire Mr. Irsay needs help, some wrote.

But DeSean Jackson is the menace, right? He’s just as bad as those guys he parties with because he threw up a Crip sign in a picture and he owns a gangsta rap record label. If only all record label owners were held to this standard, somebody might realize that Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg weren’t the bosses behind NWA. Jim Irsay lookalikes in suits were.

But go ahead and judge DeSean for the company he keeps. While you’re at it, judge me, too, because I still live in Los Angeles, and my family does, too. We didn’t run from where we grew up. We aren’t afraid to be associated with the people who came up with us. We brought some of our money back and started charities and tried to help out a few guys who were with us when we were nobodies.

I won’t apologize for that, and I suspect neither will DeSean when he’s back on the field doing what he’s always done: grinding through adversity.

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2753 comments
Ebrand
Ebrand

@DeseanJackson10 recently moved into a house a few doors down from mine. While I have not met him personally yet, I have had the pleasure of meeting his friends who are living with him. They have been nothing but respectful and pleasant neighbors. I can only hope that when #DeseanJackson finally does come out to meet his pint-sized neighborhood fans, he is as nice as his friends have been. #InnocentUntilProvenGuilty

infinitibyte
infinitibyte

I agree with you 100%  I hate when people for the role of role model on people just because they are in another tax bracket.  It's ridiculous just because I can play a sport at a professional level doesn't mean a better/worse person... I am who I am!

DredScott
DredScott

Well said Richard....


GO HAWKS!!!

AlexBauman
AlexBauman

#1) Talk about unfair judging…Richard Sherman do you know the exact reason why the Eagles released DeSean? No you do not.  Shame on you for writing an article about essentially judging when your doing literally the exact same thing.  Shame on you for writing a horrible article based completely on assumptions.  You must know what they say they say about assuming..you went to Stanford.


#2) Ever hear of this one? "Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are" Clearly you have not.  


In conclusion, shame on you for writing this embarrassing article; it is a horrible read, 0 fact, full of judgment, and 100% assumption.


Make the argument all day the he knows Desean personally..but, if you have ever been in a job of higher-up authority, or have been released from a job, you very well would know the real reason as to why the Eagles released Desean and what they tell him can differ drastically, if they even do at all because they do not have to, or Desean may not have the legal rights to disclose terms of his termination, and also, the reasons the Eagles tell Desean why he's being released may differ drastically between what he tells Sherman…therefore your "personally" point is completely invalid and flawed.  


PastorFM
PastorFM

People hating on professional success stories need to go get some of their own. IJS

Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan
Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan

The real story here isn’t about where “D-Jax” is from.It’s about where “D-Jax” is today.And where he’s going tomorrow.Take another look at the Little League photo.It’s priceless.It shows two kids only feet apart who, against all odds, made long walks—from a little-known baseball field, to two well-known universities, to the NFL, to stardom.One is a team player. The other, it would appear, isn’t.Perhaps Sherman should have a reunion with his childhood friend, who might benefit from a father-like figure to coach him up.Ultimately, “D-Jax” needs to talk to the “kid” in the mirror about that well-known—but not universally understood—line:There’s no “I” in “T-E-A-M.”

freewimin
freewimin

Has anyone considered that the reporter from NJ.com is an incompetent investigator who jumped on a small piece of one person's theory just to get a story out?  I don't see a strong enough connection from the report to the reality of what the team thought. Without this link proven as the main reason for him being released, there's not much of a story.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

media types like jason whitlock have made statements about desean jackson that are very similar to rob parker's statement that IMO ultimately lead to him being suspended then fired from the same network....  I guess one baseless depiction is acceptable and the other is not.

dotgirl57
dotgirl57

Playing race card in Cooper vs. Jackson just doesn't cut it. Instead of comparing Jackson’s situation to Cooper’s, shouldn’t the current regime’s history of dealing with troubled players come under the microscope? If the Eagles treat black players with legal issues more harshly than white ones, why didn’t they punish Jason Peters for his drag racing arrest last offseason? Charges were eventually reduced and Peters paid a fine. Why was Peters -- who has been arrested twice since joining the team -- given a monster extension last month, making him the team’s highest-paid player?

LeSean McCoy intentionally sought to embarrass and humiliate the mother of his child on Twitter last offseason, inviting his followers to chastise her while Kelly was still decorating his office. All Kelly did was give McCoy the most carries of his career and repeatedly express his admiration for his Pro Bowl halfback.


But to suggest that race played a part in Kelly’s decision to keep Cooper and remove Jackson is to ignore the basic fact that Cooper is a one-time offender who was welcomed back into the locker room by several of his teammates and Jackson showed a repeated pattern of bothersome behavior.


How many teammates have publicly rallied against the decision to jettison Jackson? Still waiting for one.
I think the only one playing the race card is Sherman.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

let me again state the IMO obvious that jason whitlock is a idiot at least when it comes to this issue..... I would hope he was smarter than this.  jason whitlock had the nerve to write an article critical of this piece by sherman.


whitlock.... you don't get to gloss over your own stupidity in this situation.  whitlock had the temerity before sherman's article came out to state basically that cooper can be forgiven for what whitlock considered a "mistake" but desean jackson has to be more responsible to the NFL "shield" with his "associations" and trying to produce rap videos..... WTF????


what insinuation is whitlock trying to make??  making rap videos automatically makes you public enemy number 1??  putting up a "gang sign" to people you know in an attempt to say hello is an offense that cannot be in any way characterized as a mistake at all.


whitlock completely glosses over the fact that cooper uttered the infamous phrase in connection to cooper committing a criminal act but cooper didn't have any obligation to the "shield" at that point I guess.... AND nobody that I remember inquired about cooper's associations at that time or insisted that some investigation be done.


I don't think the eagles were irresponsible in how they dealt with the cooper situation OR for cutting desean jackson..... but it is more than appropriate to talk about the appearance that the eagles cut jackson for the "revelation" about the "gang ties" since jackson was cut on the same day the revelations came out (revelations the eagles knew about already).

LeonardoZapata
LeonardoZapata

somebody call the waaambulance, the dude got cut because he is a lousy teammate, a locker room cancer and a me first guy

Buck2185
Buck2185

Jackson and Sherman are both drug taking thugs. This whole story is a complete waste of time

ForEverFan
ForEverFan

Post a Comment: Why? So that anyone who feels differently can then attack ME. You all are a piece of work. Reading the comments is quiet insightful (in a depressing sort of way) as to where we are in 2014. And to think, today is 4/4. The day Martin Luther King was assassinated. Yep - it's a sad, sad place we live... still hating on each other trying to prove you're each right, until you're not even discussing the topic of the article but slamming each other.

jimmyneutron
jimmyneutron

Let's look at what is being written.


1. Stardom doesn't change where you are from - no it doesn't, but being an educated college graduate and a highly paid professional athlete does. Just because you are from Compton doesn't give you a free pass to associate with questionable people. Did the Eagles cut Jackson because of that issue. No. Did they time the release with the NJ.com article...probably. Sherman is the one who is making an issue out of where he was raised. Do you think everyone else in America except Jackson and you grew up in Beverly Hills? When you sign a contact with a company, just about anyone I know has to adhere to some corporate code of ethics and conduct. Once again, you believe that just because you are from Compton you think you get a pass? Sure you can be loyal and try to help friends, but there comes a time when you do have to distance yourself from people with a reputation. Bad choices and actions have consequences. The original premise of your argument, you are not from Compton" is a logical fallacy of False Cause. 


2. Second logical fallacy applied - Special Pleading. "I can only tell you that I believe him to be a good person, and if you think, say or write otherwise without knowing the man, you’re in the wrong." This statement is a logical fallacy of Special Pleading. You state that you don't know his associates or what he does with his time, but because you judge him to be a good man it must be so while criticizing others for forming an opinion based on the same information that you have to judge. Why, because you think you are better at life than everyone else? Did you ever stop to ask yourself the following questions: Do the Eagles have investigative information that I am not privy to? Have the Eagles kept prior incidents within the club house and tried to work with Jackson? Just because I knew Jackson as a kid that he is still the same person or has the same values as I do? -

3. Another logical fallacy - begging the question. You are starting from the premise that Jackson was cut due to gang ties.The Eagles never said Jackson was being cut because of alleged gang ties - you are making that assumption. Even though Jackson uses gang signs and symbols, etc; he was never officially tied to any gang activity by the LA law enforcement. So, because you make false assumptions of why Jackson was cut, instead of just signing with a new team - now, the real story is released that he was cut for being a bad teammate and insubordinate to Coach Kelly. Now, with a straight face tell me that Jackson's behavior would have been tolerated on the Seahawks even if he was the Fresh Prince of Bellaire?Another logical fallacy - begging the question. You are starting from the premise that Jackson was cut due to gane ties


4. Comparing Riley Cooper to Jackson is false equivalency. Cooper was caught once, fined and suspended. His teammates even said this was out of character for him. We now find out that Jackson has had a history of being a bad teammate and insubordinate while no one has come out to his defense about getting cut.

This is a self aggrandizing piece of garbage that is not about Jackson, but to say once again - look at me - Richard Sherman. Props for working with at risk kids though the A++ program, graduating from Stanford, being one of the best corners in the game, but can you just do things without having to say look at me? Do you not do these things for your own personal satisfaction?

x72
x72

Last time I checked Snoop wasn't in NWA. Ya screwball ya.

Murraythescott
Murraythescott

I think Richard hit the nail on the head. Well said mon ami. We all have our share of friends who make questionable choices.


I also agree with you on how the colour of ones skin can influence a decision.


Now if he was let go because of being a bad influence within and outside the locker room that's a different story.


Overall a great read and keep up the good work, have you ever thought of writing a book?


Would love to sit down over a beer and hear some of your experiences.


Cheers


Murray

Orange Crush
Orange Crush

According to the latest report from CBS Philadelphia, Jackson was a big problem for head coach Chip Kelly and the Eagles’ locker room, and he was not very well liked by his teammates.

“Jackson was not very well liked by his teammates, was blatantly insubordinate, with temper tantrums cussing out Kelly several times in front of the team, [he] pushed the NFL rookie coach the way ‘a child would test boundaries,’ and was more concerned with his rap label than he was about winning football games,” the report reads.

Interested to hear what Sherman might have to say about this. Oh, but they played baseball together in their childhood nevermind.

Orange Crush
Orange Crush

“The fact is, [Jackson] was a ‘me-guy’ with an attitude problem and [Jeremy Maclin] is the complete opposite, a team guy, a great character guy you go to war with,” the source said. “Funny how [Jackson] has this anti-bully thing and he thought he could push [Kelly] around; he found out otherwise. His being cut had nothing to do with the gang stuff. The team knew it. Everyone knew he had ‘ties.’ Those were his guys. That’s OK. What put him out was his selfishness. He can try and spin it all he wants how he’s ‘a team player.’ He’s not. I’ll put it this way, when it came out last Friday that [Jackson] was released, more than a few guys were happy it happened. They said ‘good riddance.’ He had no real connection with anyone.

“Yes, you can say he was the type that could catch three TDs in a loss – everyone would be down, but you had the impression he was happy, because he got his. It was all about him. A lot of guys thought that way about him. [Kelly] came in here with a plan to get this thing right, and the one major [obstacle] standing in his way was [Jackson]. If we were going to move forward as a team, he had to go. Think about it – did anyone come right out and back him publicly? Not one.”

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@LeonardoZapata if the "affiliation" stuff were not brought up IMO by someone within the eagles organization using the article as "cover" then we wouldn't have this discussion at all.....

JuanFiguroa
JuanFiguroa

@Buck2185  Drug-taking thugs. Ok, then. Let me say as a tee-totalling Mormon who takes Rx Concerta (Adderal), but who doesn't even drink Coca Cola: I'm a bigger druggie than Richard Sherman. 

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@ForEverFanChanges in social constructions sometimes happen dynamically or in asymmetric spurts. I think it would be a mistake to assume that changes in American ideologies regarding race will progress in a certain direction in a lineal path indefinitely.

For example, Jews have lived in Europe for 2,000+ years but how they've been received by other Europeans have gone up and down. It hasn't changed in a straight line. The same is true for Romani(Gypsies). Romani have been in Europe for 1,000+ years but even now they face a lot of hostility.

What if we looked at 2014 in context of where it fits into post 16th century north America. Racism was institutionalized in laws and in social and cultural life in the original 13 colonies all the way up to the 1960's. Ideas about race didn't just change on their own. There's a lot of factors that came into play.

Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't very well liked at the time of his death. In 1966 MLK Jr Gallup poll rating was 32% positive and 63% negative. I believe that's for all Americans. Public Policy Polling in 2013 MLK Jr poll rating was 73% favorable and 15% unfavorable. But among republicans it's 59% favorable and 28% unfavorable.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/08/ppp_poll_georgia_conservatives_favor_paula_deen_more_than_mlk.html

So it's not a guarantee that attitudes about race will progress in a linear path in either direction. I think guys like Sherman tend to draw a lot of racial hatred from white people.
http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/73920503580/dumb-racists-outraged-that-football-star-richard

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@jimmyneutron


you might want to proof-read what you writer before posting it.


1) neither stardom NOR level of education NOR money earned changes where you are FROM unless you think any of those things can enable someone to change time travel....  AND none of those things should absolutely bar someone from saying hello to somebody else (once again what is the definition of such a nebulous concept as "association") so what if he knows people in certain circumstances?  are you really saying that jackson cannot be a positive influence to anyone so he should run just away from everybody he used to know as quickly as he runs away from tacklers??


2) so you think sherman is wrong for assuming desean jackson is innocent of any wrong doing unless some fact to the contrary is presented (given he at least he had some personal interaction with him that you do not)..... you obviously don't realize what our LEGAL SYSTEM IS BASED ON!!!!!


3) you HAVE to discuss the gang ties thing because he was waived by the organization ON THE SAME DAY the article about his alleged "gang ties" whatever that means came out.... and the illusion that the eagles cut jackson due to some hard line stand against innuendo I guess but it was one of the things written about BEFORE sherman's piece came out.


4) once again.... it is appropriate to compare the cooper situation to this IF anyone was hoodwinked into thinking the eagles cut jackson over some moral and ethical blah blah.....  BUT it is funny how nobody is talking about the direct correlation to the jim irsay situation and how both situations are viewed (nice of you to pick and choose points of the article without talking about the artice as a whole).

BillRobinson
BillRobinson

@Orange Crush

Of course, we know that everything you read in the media is correct. Obviously, there were reasons that Kelly took a cap hit and released his highest performing wide receiver, but I don't expect we know, or will know, the full story. It will be interesting to see how this plays out for both the Eagles and Washington. Doesn't change my appreciation for Sherman's perspective.

IamBlack
IamBlack

@Orange Crush Would you by chance know DeSean personally? Fact is, you sound silly using the phrase "fact is" when you don't know this guy from a hole in the ground nor do you know the real reason he was cut. Fact is, you should keep your self-righteous BS and speculation to yourself. Your entire post is full baseless opinion and your own hateful judgment.....

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@InChipwetrust  

"and was more concerned with his rap label than he was about winning football games."  quote from article.


Jackson had his most statistically productive season last year. I wonder if the undisclosed source was Riley Cooper?


Jackson seems like he can be annoying at times so I could imagine that insubordination played a factor in his release.

jimmyneutron
jimmyneutron

@fuggetaboutit909 @jimmyneutronSorry teacher, I didn't know I was writing a term paper.

You keep harping the gang tie thing as if it was THE reason for Jackson being released. The Eagles had concerns when they drafted Jackson out of Cal about this very issue. Apparently, it wasn't an issue - they drafted him. In March 2012, the franchised him and gave him a 5 year contract worth $51M even after 1) he held out 2011 training camp, 2) dogged the 2011 season so he wouldn't get hurt and 3) still associated with past friends associated with gangs. Think about it, the Eagles are going to release their most productive WR one hour after an online article on NJ.com comes out - really? There is no innuendo here. You have to be naive to think the Eagles didn't have their own sources vet Jackson prior to offering him contracts.


So, what has changed between now and then - the coach! Chip Kelly is not Andy Reid and willing to put up with his insubordination. You can frame your straw man arguments all you want, but the bottom line is Jackson's behavior internally with the team. You fail to be picking and choosing your facts. What's next you going to cry for CJ2K getting released by the Titans. The NFL is a business and with any business there is always risk/reward vs. cost analysis going on. What part of Jackson was not worth disruptions he was causing don't you understand?


Once again, Riley and Ersay are false equivalents. Cooper was fined, suspended and apologized to his teammates and fans. It is called accountability. If the Eagles thought he was a distraction to the team he would have been cut too as in the case with Richie Incognito. Jim Irsay has yet to be convicted of any crime. Even if he is convicted what is the NFL going to do - suspend him from being an owner; sell the team? They will deal with it as they did with Bud Adams. There is no direct correlation between Irsay and Jackson. Irsay will be tried in the court of law unless his lawyers get his charges either dismissed or pleaded down the same way Jackson would do if in the same situation and be subject to the NFL drug treatment policy.


No, I don't think that associating with gang members makes Jackson a bad person if he is trying to influence people from where he grew up to seek a better path. I have nothing but props for Jackson when he stuck up for that boy in Upper Darby that was bullied. The same for Sherman with his work with at risk youth. I make my decisions about people based on their actions, not their appearances.  Again, the Eagles' decision was based on occurred internally to the organization, not what Jackson did outside the organization. The fact that not one of his Eagle teammates spoke out against his release says volumes more than Sherman's rant about an issue he has no first hand knowledge which is more about Sherman than Jackson.

AllWorldAtmc
AllWorldAtmc

@BillRobinson  good post Bill  Orange Crush is a clown.  Jumpin on the media bandwagon to support his post.  NFL is about wining.  I don't give a crap about D Jackson's attitude.  He plays to win the game.  All this locker room talk and anonymous reports on how a player acts in the locker room.  A real teammate would never rat out another for a news story.  That person is the problem.  Handle it in house.  Eagles didn't wanna pay so they cut the man then slander him in the process.  That is some yellow bellied mess.  

Orange Crush
Orange Crush

@Kenny2Thorough @Orange Crush  What would lead you to believe this quote came from Cooper? Seems you are making assumptions to support some type of agenda just as Sherman has done.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@MidwestGolfFan @Orange Crush if the eagles just let him go without IMO someone in the eagles organization trying to assassinate his character with BS then we wouldn't even have this conversation.

Orange Crush
Orange Crush

@IamBlack @Orange Crush  Ha! Fact is this quote came directly from a source within the Eagles organization. I think they would know better than anybody don't you? Who sounds silly now?

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@jimmyneutron @fuggetaboutit909  basically... If jackson's personal relationships were not the reason he was let go then why leak any of it to the scribe at all....


so I will crystallize it for you:  1) the eagles have every right to let jackson go  2) IMO for the eagles to leak out the gang ties stuff to the media is irresponsible since it came without any context 3) media types writing about jackson's associations were also irresponsible as they seemed to take unsubstantiated accounts as statements of fact 4) the cooper thing is comparable if only to point out why jackson's "associations" were not really part of the reasons why he was cut 5) the irsay thing is comparable insofar as the way media types handled the irsay thing as opposed to the chiding and admonishment jackson received in the wake(irsay needs help vs jackson needs to grow up and be responsible).

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@jimmyneutron @fuggetaboutit909  


"Stardom doesn't change where you are from - no it doesn't, but being an educated college graduate and a highly paid professional athlete does. Just because you are from Compton doesn't give you a free pass to associate with questionable people.....   When you sign a contact with a company, just about anyone I know has to adhere to some corporate code of ethics and conduct. Once again, you believe that just because you are from Compton you think you get a pass? Sure you can be loyal and try to help friends, but there comes a time when you do have to distance yourself from people with a reputation. Bad choices and actions have consequences. The original premise of your argument, you are not from Compton" is a logical fallacy of False Cause"


that is what YOU wrote..... yes I read ALL the posts fella.


so DUMMY the fact that jackson may know people and even hang out with certain folks on occasion was probably not (by your own admission) any part of reason jackson was let go by the eagles at all given that the eagles knew about the company jackson kept before the eagles gave jackson his first big contract.


once again, you darn near called jackson a gang member since you bandy the word "associate" without defining what that actually means and you CANT define it since you dont KNOW desean jackson's activities at all..... how can YOU even define what a "bad choice" is for desean jackson in terms of jackson's personal life??


I can define your opinion as dummy-like cause I can react to what YOU wrote.....  I dont think you can guess about what desean jackson's relationships are without looking like a.... DUMMY.

BillRobinson
BillRobinson

@jimmyneutron

Boring! Let's see how things play out next fall. Talk about a waste of time.

jimmyneutron
jimmyneutron

@fuggetaboutit909 @jimmyneutronYour reading skills are about as good as Sherman's arguments - substandard. First, show me where I ever said Jackson was in a gang. Jackson himself has admitted on ESPN that he hangs out with people in gangs - but, only if they aren't going to do something bad. Second, my point all along has been that Jackson was released by the Eagles because of his fit in the locker room. The Eagles have long known his associations with neighborhood friends since he was drafted - why all a sudden is it a problem now? Also, show me a press release from the Eagles that smears Jackson? You can't, so you are making making crap up. Also, if you think the Aaron Hernandez saga didn't raise red flags with NFL owners you are even a bigger fool. You actually think that the Eagles are the only team that has had a player investigated? 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6673292

Who is the dummy?


Oh, and now it is Chip Kelly's people skills? 

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/04/04/unnamed-eagles-rip-desean/


Brian Dawkins from an interview on Philly's 96.5 The Fanatic, “It only takes for a couple of mistakes to happen for your brand to be damaged to the point that you cannot earn, or your earning potential begins to be hurt in the capacity of being able to get outside of your neighborhood and earn a living. And so these are the type of things that I’m talking about when it comes to DeSean Jackson. We’re held up on this gang affiliation thing; it’s not just that. It’s being a professional. It’s being able to be counted on to be with your team, do what your supposed to do, not skating around the corner, not cut corners, not doing some of the things that he’s allegedly been doing while in Philadelphia.”

Once again, prove to me that this has nothing to do Jackson's accountability and responsibility. You can cry and whine about the alleged gang associations (which the article and LA police said did not amount to anything). If you truly think the Eagles got rid of Jackson because of hanging out with "childhood friends" after signing Michael Vick when he was a pariah - then you can call people all the names you want; make all the illogical arguments you want, but it still doesn't change the facts - Jackson was becoming a cancer on the team and the Eagles no longer wanted any parts of it.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@jimmyneutron @fuggetaboutit909  once again...... if the eagles cut jackson because they thought he might be a problem in the locker room nobody would have had a problem with that.... even if IMO it was a little unfair I would still not have a problem with it.


why slander the guy?

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@jimmyneutron @fuggetaboutit909  I guess I am a bad teacher since you fail to learn the lesson......


the eagles have the power to release any player for any reason they want BUT to attempt to smear the guy on the way out the door is irresponsible, low class and beneath the eagles organization (IMO someone from the eagles did this).


the eagles IMO need to be taken to task for trying to appear like they got rid of arguably their best WR for some BS "association" and not because they just wanted to go into a different direction whatever IMO the "real" reason was. maybe chip kelly doesn't have the requisite people skills to keep desean jackson productive.... many college coaches dont when they get to the NFLn as greg schiano would attest.


to me the cooper comparison only points out how it is absolutely stupid to think that the eagles cut jackson due to some BS "associations" whatever that means.


and what "associations" are you talking about?? please enlighten all of us with your intimate knowledge of desean jackson's personal relationships.....  why write about "associations" IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DUMMY?? unless you based your post on some unnamed source instead of the article that came out where the guy who investigated jackson in the first place reportedly stated there is no real credible connection to any gang and or criminal activity at all!!!!!!!  i guess the vetting you talk about didn't include talking to the lead investigator huh??


and you also base your thoughts on the fact that his ex-teammates did not verbalize support of jackson and in doing so take a swipe at the eagles who are still paying them??  you think maybe the team put out a gag order??  didn't stop mornhinweg and mike vick from begging the jets to get him.... last I looked that was an ex-teammate AND an ex-coach.


you are right.... jim irsay has not been convicted of anything yet.... but did you   stop to remember that desean jackson has not convicted of anything AT ALL!!!!  which DUMMY is the whole point of the comparison!  you yourself have darn near called desean jackson an active gang member and alluded to many other things without a shred of tangible evidence to support your theories.  irsay had a BAG of tangible evidence but I have not read one article calling into question irsay's "associations"..... WHY IS THAT???


I bet nobody from the titans will try to slander chris johnson after they waive him which is why we wont have this discussion in relation to him.

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

@Orange Crush  So are you admitting that your agenda is to promote racist attitudes towards blacks? Yet you are vilifying people who expose such attempts to promote racist attitudes as if you're the one with the moral high ground. 

Kenny2Thorough
Kenny2Thorough

 @Orange Crush If we look at it from a broader time frame then it's not as unwarranted as you may think it is. I don't think Sherman is as anti white as you're probably thinking he is. Five US presidents where in the K. K. K. including Harding, Wilson, McKinley, Coolidge and Truman.Richard Nixon was caught on tape saying that he believed that inter racial babies should be aborted for being mixed. 

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There's nationalist movements gaining popularity all across Europe right now.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/28/the-swedish-neo-nazis-of-kiev.html

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There's active voter suppression campaigns going on across America.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/us/new-gop-bid-to-limit-voting-in-swing-states.html?_r=0

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Commissioner admits that police policies are intended to intimidate minorities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/nyregion/kelly-intended-frisks-to-instill-fear-senator-testifies.html

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There's also race realist who are gaining popularity for people who don't want to feel racist while subjugating non whites.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/01/tucker-carlson-and-alex-jones-u-s-is-more-race-conscious-now-than-during-segregation/

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Racist government policies have only been illegal since the 1960's. For most of American history racism was the law.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@Orange Crush @IamBlack so you are quoting a source that went so far in his description of jackson in an IMO obvious to attempt to denigrate and assassinate jackson's character as if it is gospel??


I guess there is no way the "source" could be overstating or outright lying about the situation since the "source" is completely objective..... right??

Orange Crush
Orange Crush

@IamBlack  And by the name you chose to go by along with the comments you have posted on here seems you have no room to talk about hateful judgement.

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