Learning to Fly Again

Draft weekend 2015

Gut feeling about the 2015 NFL draft: It will be in a city other than New York, and it will be a week earlier, starting on April 30 and running until May 2. Why? It’s complicated.

The NFL has outgrown Radio City Music Hall, and the NFL is ticked off at Radio City Music Hall. Last year, Radio City delayed its decision about what dates were available in the spring of 2014, causing the NFL to put off planning for the 2014 draft. Then Radio City told the league the venue was going to be occupied in mid to late April by an Easter Spectacular show, something akin to the Radio City holiday show with the Rockettes. Okay, NFL officials said, we’ll push the draft back to the second weekend of May. Mother’s Day weekend wasn’t ideal, but what choice did the NFL have? Then, earlier this year, Radio City canceled the Easter show. The NFL seethed. The league had moved the draft back and ignored other venues (Madison Square Garden and the Barclays Center in Brooklyn) to stay at Radio City, and now Radio City was going to be dark on the normal draft weekend. But the NFL couldn’t move the draft at that point, so the May 8-10 weekend went on as planned.

At the same time, cities were angling for the 2015 draft, as my partner Don Banks reported on SI.com last week. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel spoke to Roger Goodell twice about having the draft somewhere there—gigantic McCormick Place near Soldier Field, for instance—and other cities loomed. Jerry Jones pines to have the draft at Jerry World in Arlington. Los Angeles wants it. Bob Kraft wants it in Boston.

“At this point,” a solid source told me Saturday, “I think it’s likely the draft is elsewhere in 2015.”

When? NFL officials hear the beefs of teams that want the draft in April. NFL officials also see the 30-percent-plus increase in TV ratings with the draft moved two weeks later. I maintain it wouldn’t matter—with the Manziel mystery, the where-will-Michael-Sam go, the fact that four of the top five picks in the draft were totally unknown as the first round approached. But the NFL does not ignore the ratings. It never has, never will, no matter what any football person or media person thinks. That’s why I think the league splits the baby and puts the draft a week after the normal April 23-area and before the May 8/Mother’s Day weekend. “We do not want the draft on Mother’s Day weekend,” that source said.

My guess: Chicago, with the first round April 30, 2015.

* * *

The Sam Chronicles, Chapter II

There will be plenty of drama for Michael Sam this summer, but it won't come from the off-the-field documentary series Oprah was planning with Sam and his boyfriend, Vito Cammisano. (@Vitcamm)
There will be plenty of drama for Michael Sam this summer, but it won’t come from the off-the-field documentary series Oprah is planning with Sam and his boyfriend, Vito Cammisano. (@Vitcamm)

In the end, Michael Sam did the right thing. He told coach Jeff Fisher and GM Les Snead that he was going to make his situation right, after the Rams were blindsided by the news of the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) planning a “docuseries” on his rookie year as the first openly gay NFL player. And OWN did the right thing too, in sitting down with the Rams Friday and not trying to convince club officials what a great show this was going to be. OWN, I’m told, told the Rams they would happily postpone the series—or perhaps never do it—if that was the best thing for Sam’s attempt to make the team as a seventh-round defensive end this summer. The meeting Friday was only positive, I’m told, because OWN was clear that the only way it would do the series is if Sam wanted it and the Rams wanted it. And it’s just as clear that, for both sides, the series would be best done beginning next off-season, assuming Sam makes the team and plays some this year.

In some ways, it’s a shame we won’t see (at least now) the trials of Sam in this rookie year, the personal side of trying to be the first openly gay player fighting for a spot on the team. It would be compelling to see Sam at home with his boyfriend, and certainly a help to the LGBT community, dealing with what surely will be a stressful time in his life. But for Sam, it’s just better that it be postponed.

Why? Because Sam is a football player, a rookie trying to find his way onto a football team as an underdog low-round draft pick. Could it help him make the team, or help him make his mark? I don’t see how. But I do see how teammates could either resent him or be angry with him as a low man on the team totem pole. And Sam doesn’t need that. He needs to find his spot and be solely focused on making the team. There is going to be enough of a sideshow—big media names and TMZ showing up at Rams Park, clamoring to get a Sam story or interview—without Sam voluntarily adding to it. At the scouting combine, Sam semi-pleaded with the media to see him as a football player and not as a gay football player. It would have been hypocritical for him, then, to seek that attention by having OWN cameras in his face off the field as he battled to succeed in his first year.

I’ve thought a lot about this story in the past week, as I’m sure everyone who follows football has. And the more I think about it, the more I think Sam landed in a perfect spot. Absolutely perfect. Three reasons:

  1. The Rams embrace the history of it. I can tell you with certainty that there was some regret in the Rams hierarchy that Sam’s rookie story won’t be told by OWN. Not enough to override the fact that the team really didn’t want it to be done. But the Rams are sure they’ll be a welcoming team and St. Louis a welcoming community for Sam. They’re fired up about the historical significance and the chance to show that a football team can be a change agent.
  2. There are not two better coaches in the league, in tandem, for this task than Jeff Fisher and Gregg Williams. Williams especially. He is The Name That Shall Not Be Mentioned In New Orleans and will be until he day he dies, because the Saints and their fans view him as a rat for spilling his guts about Bountygate. But Williams wants badly to resurrect his career and make his mark with a strong defense featuring a Williams persona. What better way than having a nickel pass-rusher playing 18 snaps a game in schemes isolating him to make plays, the kind of schemes Williams has been inventing for players throughout his career? Call it what you want. I will choose the word “ego.” Gregg Williams has the kind of ego to believe he can take a player with limited athleticism but good college production at a high level and put him in position to make NFL plays. I can’t wait to see what he has planned, frankly. As for Fisher, he’s a staunch league guy. He knows this is good for football and great for the NFL. He will do everything to give Sam the best chance to make it.
  3. Sam knows Missouri. Missouri knows Sam. Sam took a teammate to an LGBT parade in Missouri while at the university. He likes St. Louis. And St. Louis likes him back. Even those not empathetic to Sam the gay man from Missouri will want a positive light to shine on their state.

Not to mention, the Rams kept nine defensive linemen last year and they have only three must-keeps (Chris Long, Robert Quinn, William Hayes) at defensive end. Yes, Sam is in the right place, and he and his team made the right decision to put off the reality show.

* * *

Role reversal for a man not done with his former life.

Mike Tannenbaum was the general manager of the Jets for seven years before getting fired by owner Woody Johnson 16 months ago. In his former life, he traded for Brett Favre, hired Rex Ryan, drafted Darrelle Revis, starred in Hard Knocks, traded for Tim Tebow, was part of a team that won four road playoff games, watched in horror at The Buttfumble … in other words, did quite a few things to keep the Jets relevant, mostly successful and back-page-worthy.

He just did something else: As a rising star in the agent business, he represented Steve Kerr in negotiations to make him the new Golden State Warriors coach. More importantly to many, Tannenbaum was the agent of record in Kerr not taking the Knicks’ head coaching job—when he clearly was the number one choice of Phil Jackson. For years, first as the Jets’ cap guy and then as the GM, Tannenbaum sat in the team’s chair. This time, in his first mega-negotiation on the other side of the table, working as the head of Priority Sports’ coaching division repping Kerr, Tannenbaum felt a bit of culture shock bypassing the New York Knicks and doing the deal with Golden State.

“It was interesting doing a big negotiation and not hearing [NFL Management Council exec] Peter Ruocco’s voice in my ear telling me to remember the salary cap,” Tannenbaum said over the weekend. “It was different. In a non-cap situation, you can be so creative. Whereas in football with the Jets, if I paid Nick Mangold one more dollar in a future year, I knew it would cost me trying to sign a free agent that year.”

I asked Tannenbaum what was rewarding about this negotiation versus the football deals he did.

“When I took this new job,” he said, “I met Steve Kerr and he said to me, ‘I’m going to coach one day, and it’s your job to help me get ready.’ That was a great challenge. He already had a very detailed plan, about things like leadership and coaching style and the staff and the balance between talent and character, and I helped him fine-tune his plan. We worked for a year to get it right. And last week, when he came out of his meeting with the Warriors, it was so rewarding to get a text from Steve. He said, ‘They loved the plan.’ That was a sense of great fulfillment. I was a part of the Steve Kerr team, and Steve Kerr had a very good day, so I had a very good day. I liked that.”

Clearly, Tannenbaum would like another shot at being an NFL GM, but he understands that despite his team’s 61 wins and three playoff appearances in seven years, often a general manager in the NFL gets only one shot. Look at the league now. Bruce Allen (Tampa Bay, Washington) is the only current general manager in his second life as a GM. What I like about Tannenbaum’s path is that he didn’t sit around and wait for the phone to ring. He reinvented himself. He got on planes in the past year and beat the bushes for coaches of the future—coaches like Division II West Georgia’s Will Hall, who may or may not be a coaching prodigy. “I want to represent the next Nick Saban you don’t know right now,” Tannenbaum said. For how long? Who knows? But his post-Jets chapter has been pretty interesting so far.

One other non-football note. Wondering why Kerr chose Golden State? Tannenbaum said that as much as Kerr wanted to work with Jackson and learn the game from him, Kerr couldn’t find a single negative about the Warriors. Kerr would be closer to his family—completely Californian—and the roster was so good and so young. Clearly the Knicks don’t have the roster or the geography the Warriors did. Think of it: Kerr can drive a half hour to watch daughter Maddy, a rising sophomore at Cal, play volleyball. That’s an experience he can’t get back.

* * *

And the site of Super Bowl 52 is …

NFL owners gather in Atlanta Tuesday for the annual one-day spring meeting, and they’re slated to pick a host city for Super Bowl 52 (I hate Roman numerals, but for you Augustans, it’s Super Bowl LII) on Feb. 4, 2018. The candidate cities are Indianapolis, Minneapolis and New Orleans. Here’s my tote board of favorites:

City Odds Why
New Orleans 2-1 2018 is the tricentennial for the city, and no one hates a New Orleans game.

The city was founded as La Nouvelle-Orleans in May 1718, and New Orleans officials and owner Tom Benson will focus on the historic aspects of the bid, and the fixing of the problems that led to the blackout in the Ravens-49ers Super Bowl. New Orleans has hosted the Super Bowl 10 times. Benson, who turns 87 in July, might be making his final appeal for a Super Bowl, and ownership is inclined to favor a long-time owner appealing for a favor.

City Odds Why
Minnesota 7-2 Northern dome teams always get at least one Super Bowl per new stadium.

The Wilfs went to hell and back to get a stadium built in the Twin Cities, and they’re going to get a game. The question is when. Plans for the stadium look gorgeous.

City Odds Why
Indianapolis 7-2 Indy did a superb job on the 2012 game. The city is so easy to negotiate.

I can’t remember an easier or more pleasant Super Bowl experience than the game and event Indianapolis put on two and a half years ago. No question the league is inclined to return to central Indiana at some point in the future, but my guess is the owners will figure there’s not the urgency that New Orleans has in 2018. Wild card here will be the presence of owner Jim Irsay, who has been off battling his addiction issues and plans to speak as part of the Indianapolis bid. Will that help, hurt or be no factor?

* * *

Let the sun shine in on the revamped NFL drug policy.

Peyton Manning won't miss his ex-teammate in the season opener. Last October in Indianapolis Mathis sacked Manning twice, including this strip sack that led to a safety, in a Colts victory. (AJ Mast/AP)
Peyton Manning won’t miss his ex-teammate in the season opener. Last October in Indianapolis Mathis sacked Manning twice, including this strip sack that led to a safety, in a Colts victory. (AJ Mast/AP)

The league and the players association—per ESPN’s Dan Graziano—are negotiating some changes to the substance-abuse policy, and we saw the evidence of that Friday night. On Friday Indianapolis pass rusher Robert Mathis, who led the NFL with a career-best 19.5 sacks last season at age 32, was suspended four games for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy. Mathis admitted he didn’t consult either team trainers or league doctors before taking the drug Clomid, which he said he believed would help him and his wife conceive. His wife is now pregnant, and Mathis and agent Hadley Engelhardt said they believe Mathis shouldn’t be suspended for taking a fertility drug. Usually in events like this, the league shuts up and allows the player and agent to say whatever they want. Not Friday.

The league’s statement said, in part: “As Mr. Mathis’s agent acknowledged today, his client failed to follow the protocols in the policy that the NFL and NFLPA agreed upon to address precisely these kinds of claims. That policy also prescribes the disciplinary consequences of a positive test. The policy does not provide—nor should it provide—for the commissioner to override the policy’s procedures and assess discipline on an after-the-fact, ad hoc basis. Here Mr. Mathis actually withdrew his appeal and accepted discipline at the union’s suggestion. His hearing took place only after the Players Association requested that the appeal be reinstated … A cornerstone of the program is that a player is responsible for what is in his body. Consistent application of the policy’s procedures is critical to the integrity of the program.”

It’s got to be tough for the Colts (who backed Mathis) to take, particularly when they open the season against the most explosive offense in football (Denver, at Denver) and a rising offensive team, Philadelphia, at home. But once a player takes something without checking whether it’s kosher with the drug program, I have no sympathy if he tests positive and appeals on humanitarian or other grounds. The policy Mathis’ own union signed off on couldn’t be more crystal clear.

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liquidmuse3
liquidmuse3

Speaking of naiveté---the ark, Peyton? With all the animals two-by-two? We're taking this as truth? For a guy who prides himself on reasonable preparation, believing in the Bible seems contradictory.

armagecko
armagecko

I don't know who this Vito Cammissano character is. Judging by the fact that Peter King can't write five words without mentioning Michael Sam, I thought for sure that he and Sam must be a couple... 


Also, while I'm poking at Peter (don't get jealous, Michael), the fact that Greg Hardy has 25-30 guns is as irrelevant as the fact that Peter King stocks 30 beers in his fridge. Owning a gun doesn't mean that you will use it to harm anyone any more than owning 30 beers means that you will get drunk and smack your wife around. Hard for you to comprehend, I'm sure, but owning a gun (or 25-30) is perfectly legal in the Carolinas. Some folks drink beer, some folks shoot guns. Both folks can commit an act of violence on occasion, but I don't think you want the police to regulate your beer collection. So, Gettleman can do his due diligence regarding Hardy's gun collection, but if he's smart (yeah, I know he's from Boston; it's called an oxymoron), he'll recognize the legal authority of the 2nd Amendment. If not, Dallas can use Hardy. Shoot, they'll even buy him bigger guns.


Add in his derision of Milan Lucic saying, "I'm gonna kill you next year" after an important game, and one begins to wonder if Peter King has ever played a sport in his life. Heck, I'm wondering if King had an inguinal orchiectomy at an early age. I've heard your testosterone levels drop after 40, but should it really be totally depleted by age 56?! This is info that Michael really needs to know, Pete, before things get serious between you two....

JimKirkwood1
JimKirkwood1

Seems like just yesterday people were giving Mante Te'o (sp) a lot of grief

scotto80
scotto80

“I think it’s very contradictory, and I’m someone who supported Michael Sam and understood the importance of his involvement in professional football; but he has certainly called into question to me everything about him, including what we saw on draft day,” he said. “Everything seems orchestrated now. We didn’t know that there was a documentary TV show already in the process of being filmed and now we do. Now we judge everything in that light and we have to wonder, was it genuine emotion? Or is this a part of a reality TV show?”


The above comment was made by Jason Whitlock of ESPN so you can forward your bigot and racist accusations to him. Peter made a very big deal about the televised moment of Sam's selection suggesting it would be shown over and over as seminal moment in sports and societal history. Despite the "documentary" tag, Sam was making reality TV for the OWN network and as everyone should know by now reality TV can be as scripted and rehearsed as any other TV show. Sam has the absolute right to be who he is and be proud of it..but his clandestine dealings with OWN paint him as a bit of  charlatan

Fingernail
Fingernail

"It would be compelling to see Sam at home with his boyfriend..."


Shiver.


I gotta say, for the most part I've always been ok with gay people. I've hung out with them, worked with them, even danced at a gay club once just for the heck of it. No big deal. Whatever. So, in the wake of this whole Michael Sam love fest, I found myself reflecting back on the moment where I watched Sam breaking down in a gush of sobs as he learned he would be a Ram, and his boyfriend rubbing his arm and his back affectionately, and, after ending the call, Sam kissing his boyfriend.


It was a beautiful moment. I was touched. But in reflecting back I was also confronted by another emotion that I had apparently brushed aside: Ewww.


I get it. Gay people are people just like heterosexual people are people. We're all human. And would that we all were better about "live and let live". Anyone should have the freedom to experience love.


But it will NEVER be normal.

gravedigger187_1974
gravedigger187_1974

Furthermore don jones had to attend educational training. That is a 700 dollar word for brainwashing.

gravedigger187_1974
gravedigger187_1974

Peter, I think it was an absolute travesty that Don Jones got suspended for hi tweets on The micheal Sam incident. He is in entitled to his opinion and should not come with reprocussions. The NFL was wrong and roger goodell should be ashamed for succumbing To peer pressure. He is a coward. Whether it was micheal Sam and Vito or AJ Mccarron and that reality series moron he kissed. I tuned in to watch the NFL draft not a damn daytime soap opera. ESPN should be ashamed of themselves for the intentional pause when it was learned who the pick would be and cut to it.

Kevin1
Kevin1

Lifelong nonsmoker here...I love breathing smokefree air...But seriously...Dude, you're in BAR. Get over yourself. People drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes in those places.

GiovaniSmith
GiovaniSmith

So much for the standard of university education these days (even if the subject is "Speech Communication"). 


Peyton Manning actually believes in the story of Noah's Ark!?!


What a buffoon...

GiovaniSmith
GiovaniSmith

Wilf? 


Doesn't Wilf mean something naughty?

CeRAMicRAMekin
CeRAMicRAMekin

I doubt seriously that Eugene Sims, backup DE for the Rams has anything to worry about in making this roster. So that makes 4 must keeps IMO. Going to be a tough nut to crack for Sam. 

ShaneLeonard
ShaneLeonard

I think its hilarious how all the sports writers and NFL are tip toeing around this Michael Sam issue, King included.  I am skeptical if very few are really saying what they are truly feeling out of pure fear of being ostracized.  This has so little to do with football, and everything to do with sensational media, and a ridiculous amount of political correctness.

kenc29
kenc29

"So I’ve been working a bit with a nutritionist, and after studying my diet (or lack thereof), she said, “No more lattes.” The horror! We reached a bit of a truce there. I shan’t give up my favorite warm beverage, but I think I can handle three a week, with brewed Italian roast the rest of the time. We’ll see."


What?!? For what reason?

TomHaxby
TomHaxby

O.K. so I get it Michael Sam is queer. Can I call him queer in this era of PC? Do queers get their own showers in the NFL?  Don't really care about him or the story. Quite frankly,  tired of it like many people.

YuSuk
YuSuk

Bummer that people can still smoke in bars!? Are you freaking serious? ..That should be the proprietors CHOICE! Some places would allow smoking and other places would not allow it. Why can't both sides be happy? Its ridiculous that non-smokers just get their way without any public vote. I thought America was a democracy...It's only smoke, get over it you freakin' cry-babies!

FranklinMint
FranklinMint

I love PFF, but I don't think the article sheds much light on the best CB in football debate at all. If Sherman's not going up against the best, then he can't be called the best. You can speculate that he might be the best, but until he's tested on a regular basis, it can't be stated definitively. 

weir6
weir6

Michael Sam: WHO CARES?  Why is this such a big deal?  If someone says something on the field to him, are they going to be fined?  It's about football, not the player's sexuality.  So tired of hearing about him

sjq294
sjq294

Drink coffee like a man, Mr. King.

EdwardWhitelock
EdwardWhitelock

Mr. King, I have been a regular reader of your column for over ten years, and the thing that keeps drawing me back to your work as a writer is the heart you put into it.  You care about bigger things than the game you're describing.  You strike me as a "people writer" more so than a "sports writer" and I hope you take that as the compliment it is meant to be.  


But I have to say that this sentence, coming from you, really threw me: "He didn’t get a pass-rusher until pick 139, in the fourth round: Notre Dame outside linebacker Prince Shembo,whose career was clouded by an encounter with a girl he met at Notre Dame who later killed herself."  


Your phrasing diminishes the seriousness of the allegations, and I say this from a perspective that is not intending to condemn Mr. Shembo as guilty without charge or trial.  Really, I'm not responding as a back-seat lawyer; I'm responding as a fellow writer. 


I understand the need to be neutral and objective.  I do think, though, that your choice of the phrase "encounter with a girl" glosses over the seriousness of the situation.  In the least, it leaves you open to being yourself accused of brushing off what is a serious issue in collegiate sports: sexual abuse and a culture of violence against women.

As a longtime reader, I am confident that this was not your intention.  At least, I hope not.

liquidmuse3
liquidmuse3

@armagecko  Easy on the Michael Sam talk, man. I dunno if you're just critiquing Peter (hell yeah, please do that), but Michael Sam was a tough hombre in the SEC, so I'm not sure bagging on him in a seeming "toughness spectrum" is a good bet (again, I don't know where you were going with it). Plus, what's more physically imposing in the bedroom, a dude or a chick? Gay dudes as "soft" always strikes me as a naive stereotype.


And I support your gun treatise, but a beer has no ability to kill someone. A beer + a car, perhaps. But a gun, by itself, can kill. I guess you're making the argument that if you add an a**hole to either, bad things can happen...but a bad person + beer, vs. a bad person + beer + guns? Clearly, guns are more dangerous (I can't believe I have to even say that).

usameos6
usameos6

@scotto80  I was listening to Tom Nalen here in Denver talking about this as well and his comment was that if he was in training camp with Michael Sam and this film crew that he wouldn't go anywhere near him as he would be afraid that anything he said would have the possibility of being taken out of context and used against him in the media.  He felt like it would be more honest if he wanted to document this situation that he would have been better off just going to camp like a regular rookie and writing about his experiences later instead as this won't cause the sort of 'observer effect' where the presence of the film crew fundamentally changes his camp experience.

Translucent
Translucent

@Fingernail  Who's to define what is "normal"? And who cares whether the behavior is "normal" anyway?

Mike26
Mike26

@Kevin1  Not in most major cities - which is where PK clearly spends most of his time and believes everyone else should behave as city folks do, because he comes across as very condescending in his words.



However, I agree with the point about smoking - it's been proven to have no positive purpose in public restaurants, bars and other establishments, and the addition of public parks has been a positive development as well.

drudown
drudown

@ShaneLeonard  


Actually, it is very much about what pre-W America used to be about: protecting individual liberties, celebrating individual expression and having a system of government for the People, by the People that respectfully takes no position on gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, et al.


Lo and behold, the "new" GOP has eroded our Nation's freedoms in the following order: (1) by creating "figurehead" politicians like Reagan that don't actually lead- they just sell snake oil agendas like "no new taxes, ever" which foreseeably weakens the State; (2) "deregulating" the Media by "killing the Fairness Act" under the Reagan Administration now made "news" subjective- that is, "for sale" instead of simply reporting on the Public Interest; (3) by inculcating this fabricated "hyper-partisanship"- it provides Congress with a much more convenient "excuse" to not enact laws in the Public Interest- even "gifting" wholly unprecedented "blanket immunities" (see, "Halliburton Loophole") that turns Due Process, common sense and the Common Law on its head; (4) finally, of course, there is the outright GOP "contempt" for government, the Police Power of the Several States and rule of law. 


You want make an "issue" of Americans celebrating liberty. 


I take issue with your contrived lip service to Freedom. 


You are as phony as the GOP's "Climate Change" denials in consideration of super-PAC bribes.


"After the event, even the fool is wise." - Viscount Symonds


Our Congress is on the take and not raising revenue necessary to meet tomorrow's challenges. If it doesn't want to, say, collect Federal Income tax from the NFL and other Corporations- then reogranize the debt with the EU and Russia- not rattle sabers for more useless military occupations that serve the Corporations you REFUSE to TAX in violation of the Constitution your "paid for" Faux News "contributors" invoke. 


Enough lies and smoggy skies to make the People choke.


"You mean, like Nate Kaeding in the playoffs against my team?" - Rex Ryan


Damn you, Noodle Leg.

JohnSmith25
JohnSmith25

@ShaneLeonard You are so certain that everyone is as bigoted as you but are just being politically correct.  How convenient.  The truth is that the whole reason Sam's sexuality is a story is because of the "sensational media."  The players don't care.  Sam's teammates in college didn't care.  The world has passed you by and you don't even know it.

grstallions87
grstallions87

@ShaneLeonard  You are correct, but its what society is all about, in sticking with the subject but in another area, a tv channel cancelled a flip this house kind of show because they are known to be CXhristians but praised the show that had 2 gay guys.  This is what society and sports has become, go with the hot topic even if it has nothing to do with the person's profession.  This stuff has been going on since Political Correctness came along in 1992

blynder
blynder

@TomHaxby  

Call people what they want to be called.  Seems simple enough.  

Their "own showers"?  I get you are tired of it; I really do - and some people still like the story and think has relevance to their lives.  We all gotta live here so, maybe you should employ the skip over technique. :)

Mike26
Mike26

You must be country folk with that kinda attitude mister!

salvaje50
salvaje50

@YuSuk it's only tar in your lungs that makes them look like old prunes

BillKeating
BillKeating

@weir6 It's not about football or the player's sexuality. This is political correctness. This is the media playing their favorite game of finding some celebrity or athlete saying something about a minority that most Americans would supposedly find offensive and then hounding that man (it's rarely a woman and usually a white man) until he is broken.


The minority can be African Americans, Native Americans, women (yeah they are a minority for the purpose of political correctness), Jews, (the race, not the religion. It's ok to slur religions. See the hit Broadway musical "Book of Mormon".)  The media reduced the 80 year old owner of the Clippers to a blubbering baby when they caught him on tape demeaning blacks. The got old CBS NFL pre-game show game picker Jimmy the Greek fired and on his way to an early grave for getting on tape, after he had been drinking, the "very controversial" statement that blacks were better athletes than whites. He added that he thought this was due to the way that they had been bred to be good slaves. You don't see where either statement is not at least debatable? Sorry for you.


In the end they will get Dan Snyder, too. Their pressure is relentless, and they are helped by some well known sports writers who want to be at least footnotes when the greatest book of civil rights history is published someday. Few sane people in the country really believe that Native Americans are offended by the Washington nickname of "Redskins." But to the media it's "Off with his head! and they can mount another scalp on their office walls." You say that the Native Americans are really concerned about their appalling unemployment rate? Sorry, the media isn't interested in anything that dreary. You ask "Where is freedom of speech and freedom of expression." No, those rights are only secured for political critics. So be wise and don't be caught saying anything that the media can hold against you. Like this comment.

justwanderin
justwanderin

@weir6  It's not a big deal, but King and his ilk have an agenda to push

blynder
blynder

@weir6  

You don't think it is a big deal, others do.  It'll die down in a  few weeks - that's the new cycle.

davidhd
davidhd

Me too, but the story will come to a "tragic" end in a few months when the Rams realize they have several great defensive ends, and that Sam isn't one of them.

armagecko
armagecko

@liquidmuse3 Advice #1: If you ever find yourself tempted to use the phrase "I dunno," it's usually best to shut the fruck up. As Mr. Twain implied, better to keep your mouth shut than to open it and prove you're an idiot. 


Advice #2: If you're the least bit confused about my comments, read them again. It's not really that difficult, assuming you have an 8th grade education. However, given your comment that "a gun, by itself, can kill," I think the 8th grade might be too much of an assumption on my part. For the record, a gun by itself cannot kill anything... this side of the Twilight Zone anyway. Also, if you don't know any "soft gay dudes," then you have lived a VERY sheltered existence (and you clearly don't own a TV). 


Advice #3: Stop taking everything so literally. Do you have Asperger's? No, I'm serious, dude. You need to get a check-up. If you're having trouble understanding my post and Peyton's graduation comments, you quite possibly may need medication. Or, maybe the cops simply need to confiscate your beer collection. Should you have any other comments, please review Advice #1.


craigory
craigory

@Translucent @Fingernail How about defining normal by looking at human biology?  Anyone who took a high school health class can tell you that a male's genitalia is compatible with a female's, not another male's. 

"Who cares whether the behavior is normal"?  There are very good reasons not to encourage abnormal behavior.  I don't even know where to start with that one.

Buck2185
Buck2185

@Mike26 @Kevin1 PK believes you should drink yuppie beer, have Sam htting you from behind and at the same time have a mouthful of Patriot....

Translucent
Translucent

@Mike26 @Kevin1  ..."proven to have no positive purpose in public restaurants, bars and other establishments,..."


1) I'd guess that bar owners who like serving the legion of drinking smokers consider allowing smoking to be a "positive."


2) Does something have to be "proven ... positive" to be allowed in public? Karioke bars will be in trouble...

Bongo
Bongo

@JohnSmith25 @ShaneLeonard:  While I agree that Sam is getting a lot of attention and the story has already worn thin until we get to see what happens in training camp - as have most beat-to-death stories at this time of the NFL calendar - but the reason he's getting so much attention is because it's a pretty big deal.  


You may not agree with his sexuality, but the whole point is that it shouldn't matter.  And by the reactions of many people, it still does matter to them.  Sam obviously wanted to be himself and not live in fear of someone "outing" him.  He gets to do that.  Now let's see if he makes the team.  


And no, I don't believe any NFL team will keep a player who they don't need.  The NFL is a HUGE business, and they can weather some criticism if Sam is cut.  There is no PC subplot to ensure that Sam makes the team.  That would be very bad business. 

JohnSmith25
JohnSmith25

@grstallions87 @ShaneLeonard What a load of tripe.  Cable networks choosing not to associate their brand with people who have odious views is not political correctness.  It's capitalism.  

usameos6
usameos6

@blynder @TomHaxby  I've been inside the Broncos locker room and the days of the giant mass shower are long past - now there are private showers for everyone, dressing areas, etc. etc. etc.  I find it pretty funny that people tend to fixate on showers ....

YuSuk
YuSuk

Not if you're not smoking :) --Are you one of those people that wants to live to be 100? My grandpa did and he smoked for over 70 years. By 95 he had seen all of his good friends pass and couldn't understand why people had to live so long. Something has to kill ya... Lung cancer didn't kill him either btw. Second hand smoke certainly won't hurt anyone, people who don't smoke get lung cancer. The "truth" campaign of course lumps those numbers into their statistics... People need to relax on smokers, they're people too. They make choices just like everybody else

BillKeating
BillKeating

@weir6 I should add that men can say things disgusting and shameful. I'm thinking of the day after the 1986 Challenger space shuttle explosion that killed civilian teacher Christa McAuliffe. Out at lunch the next day with a pretty large group of young engineers that I worked with, I was incredulous to hear them making dead teacher in space jokes. But I believe the media would not mobilize for war if a civil rights victim was not the subject.

blynder
blynder

@justwanderin

Ha... what is that agenda again? Where is it written down?  Who agreed on this agenda?  One could say that everyone has an agenda to push, even/especially those who claim that others are pushing an agenda.  

It's agenda pushing.  

"How come PK gets to have an agenda?  Soon everyone will have an agenda - it'll be anarchy" - Random Reference Machine is ONLINE and functioning at 8.9 percent...

Bongo
Bongo

@YuSuk :  Second hand smoke isn't harmful?  You really believe that?  It's SMOKE!  The cigarette does not magically decide whose lungs to invade.   So you think parents who smoke with kids in the car are not harming their kids?


Sorry, it doesn't work that way, regardless of whatever conclusions you want to draw from your grandpa.  FYI:  one of my grandpas lived to be 96 and smoked cigars and drank whiskey on a daily basis.  But I also had an uncle who died at 60 from lung cancer after smoking for many years, and after having quite for the last 10 years of his life.

CMFJ
CMFJ

@YuSuk  


Great for your grandfather that he was one of the 25% of smokers that did not die of a smoking related illness.  I suppose you are too old to learn that anecdotal evidence is not meaningful.


Here's an idea for you.  Find someone whose mother, father, sister, or brother has died of lung cancer and tell them "Something has to kill ya."  That should work out well for you.


"Second hand smoke certainly won't hurt anyone, people who don't smoke get lung cancer."


First, that fact that non-smokers get lung cancer has absolutely no bearing on whether second hand smoke can hurt you.  Zero.  Second, actual epidemiological data says you are wrong.  Of course, you probably won't believe that.  Your inability to reason, understand causation, or even use common sense if obviously irreversibly impaired.

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