Patrick Semansky/AP
Patrick Semansky/AP

The Ray Rice Fallout

Ray Rice was suspended two games for his domestic-violence arrest and the immediate reaction was that the Ravens running back got off light. Is this the ‘wake-up call’ some say he needed? Baltimore and the NFL are about to find out

OWINGS MILLS, Md. — Head bowed, Ray Rice went out to his first practice of his seventh NFL season Thursday morning. General manager Ozzie Newsome had just told him he’d be suspended for the first two games of the 2014 NFL season—important division games against Cincinnati and Pittsburgh at home—and Rice, still trying to digest the news, was reserved during the opening day of Ravens’ camp.

The Ravens caught a major break Thursday with the league’s announcement of a two-game suspension for Rice in the wake of his domestic-violence arrest last winter at an Atlantic City hotel. Rice, too, caught a break … except in the court of public opinion.

Rice and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who meted out the punishment (including docking Rice three game checks, or $529,000) got roasted in the wake of the sanctions, which is certainly light when compared to, say, recreational drug use. A third positive test for marijuana, for instance, nets a player a four-game suspension without pay. Compare Rice’s punishment to that for some potential performance-enhancers: A first positive test for Adderall is a four-game ban too.

But a physical confrontation with a woman in which the woman was knocked unconscious—in a league courting women as fans and consumers, and talking up the horrors of domestic violence—cost Rice half that time, and less of a fine. Thus the public outrage when the news broke at midday Thursday. When the incident happened last winter, hotel video surfaced that showed Rice dragging fiancée Janay Palmer, apparently unconscious, out of an elevator. And that’s the image America cannot get out of its mind. 

This is why Goodell was softer on Rice than a four-game suspension:

  • Rice’s wife, a source said, made a moving and apparently convincing case to Goodell during a June 16 hearing at Goodell’s office in Manhattan—attended by Rice, GM Ozzie Newsome, club president Dick Cass of Baltimore; and Goodell, Jeff Pash and Adolpho Birch of the league—that the incident in the hotel elevator was a one-time event, and nothing physical had happened in their relationship before or since. She urged Goodell, the source said, to not ruin Rice’s image and career with his sanctions.
  • This was Rice’s first violation of any NFL policy—personal-conduct or substance-abuse—in his six-year NFL career.
  • Rice was not convicted of a crime in conjunction with the incident, and the New Jersey prosecutor chose not to pursue a case against him last spring after he entered a pre-trial counseling program.
  • Rice has been the Ravens’ leading player in volunteer work in the community. At the time of the assault, he led a Maryland anti-bullying campaign. At the Super Bowl last winter, he was part of an NFL player panel for a cable-TV anti-bullying show and spoke emotionally about needing to be vigilant on the subject.
  • Rice admitted his mistake soon after the incident and went into counseling.

Still, there’s no guarantee—and Goodell knows it—that he made the right call. If Rice makes one mistake and assaults one woman the rest of his career, this decision will appear a colossal mistake by a commissioner who has been very tough in player discipline during his eight-year NFL tenure. And if Rice assaults another person while in the NFL, the wrath of Goodell likely will be unforgiving.

Janay Rice reportedly made an impassioned plea to the NFL as it considered her husband's punishment. (Patrick Semansky/AP)
Janay Palmer reportedly made an impassioned plea to the NFL as it considered her husband’s punishment. (Patrick Semansky/AP)

This has been a humbling experience for Rice, as it should be. He knows that no matter what precipitated the fight with Palmer, there’s never an excuse for laying his hands on a woman.

“Sometimes you need a wake-up call,” said a person with close ties to Rice, in the wake of the suspension. “That’s what this is for Ray. He’s a good person—people need to know that. But sometimes good people get off track. I can promise you this has gotten Ray back on track this off-season. He’s legitimately angry with himself for making this mistake. I know after it happened he was sick about it. Now he’s got to pay for it.”

Not that they compare, but Rice was already dealing with challenges in his football career. His 2013 season was a disaster. He weighed in too heavy for a 5-8 running back whose game was supposed to feature quickness, and his production plummeted. After averaging 4.7 and 4.4 yards per rush in 2011 and 2012, a heavier Rice crashed to 3.1 yards per rush and 660 yards total last year. It wasn’t all his fault, certainly. The offensive line was leaky and awful. But Rice was bothered tremendously about his production, and after some of his worst games, he’d text or call Ravens staffers asking them to review how he was playing.

The personal and professional crises, one Ravens’ source said, caused Rice to re-dedicate himself to football and his personal life this off-season—and to try to begin to repair his image. He’s gotten down to about 204 entering camp, his lowest weight since his rookie year, and new offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, who plans to make the Ravens more of a running team this year, thinks Rice can be the centerpiece of the running game.

Starting in Week 3, as it turns out. Whether Rice can be one of the NFL’s best multipurpose backs again this season—it was as recent as 2011 that he had 2,068 rushing and receiving yards—remains to be seen. He’ll be under the microscope, and rightfully so, more for what he does off the field than his offensive production in the coming months. A nervous league office will be watching his every step.

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weskempton
weskempton

Looking back on this article now, essentially a month after the release of the full elevator video, so many of these comments seem so tragically and hilariously misguided.

R_A_Y_B_E
R_A_Y_B_E

double standard - women's soccer star Hope Solo Charged with domestic violence - U.S. Soccer governing body celebrating her accomplishments

busherbee
busherbee

Rice is just a case, Goodell is the issue.

JamesStahlnecker
JamesStahlnecker

All around tragic, our society wont just change. Maybe men should be able to call someone? Police? Before it becomes physical. If calling someone the 'N'word is illegal, as too maybe it shouldnt be just men held accountable of speech and actions in this society woman are suppost to be equals.

Truthteller88
Truthteller88

You should not tell a son or daughter that they can lash out and only expect to be restrained that his some of the worst parenting iv ever heard of you also do not know what happened on the elevator so how do you kick a guy out of the NFL

afraidofstupidpeople
afraidofstupidpeople

And can you believe my luck, the only time I ever argued with my wife I knocked her unconscious and dragged her down the hall.  And can you believe it I am on candid camera.  I mean we just cuddle and watch lifetime at home when we're in bad moods...

egarnold
egarnold

I wonder if Peter King would write the same piece if Ray Rice knocked out a gay teammate? Somehow I don't think so... 

MadDoser
MadDoser

Man these comments are full of people just standing on their soap boxes spewing their holier-then-thou BS. It amazes me how much you people enjoy watching others get punished.  Get over it.

2bakes
2bakes

The problem with this whole piece and the angry mobs outraged opinion is that they presume Rice's guilt DESPITE a number of things about this case that dont make sense; the MOST notable of which is that gigantic FLAWLESS head shot of Janay Palmer Rice right next to the article? Anybody wanna explain what kind of ninjutsu Rice used to knock a woman out cold in one blow without doing ANY damage to her face?

Not to mention The prosecutors had the tape from inside the elevator and decided to drop the case anyway. Clearly they never had one to begin with. But let me guess: Rice paid off the whole New Jersey legal system to get off right? lol please.

Another thing: there were no police in or near the elevator or anywhere the scene for that matter, no witnesses, no evidence pointed out to substantiate the claim: so how can the arresting officer posit in her report that Rice struck Janay with his hand and rendered her unconscious? how would she know that? what lead her to that conclusion? Palmer didnt visit a hospital, didnt receive any medical attention, and again, had no no injuries of note reported or recorded in anyway. If you're gonna press a spousal abuse case, photographic evidence of the beating is typically the key to your case is it not?

all these fishy things that people are just ignoring i guess because we all Hate Ray Rice now for some reason? i dont know, yall dont make any sense to me.

One thing that's apparent though, is that Rice was wrongfully accused from the start. The simple assault charges were fair and substantiated. Everybody saw them fighting earlier and hotel security broke them up. They should've pressed punishment for that valid charge and left it at that. Don't see what anyone gains from trying to trump up the charges and frame Rice, but Jersey's legal system should be feeling more embarrasment than Rice for this obvious screw up. Unfortunately though, their plan to save face and divert attention from their questionable handling of this case has worked and the public fell for it.

Jimbo
Jimbo

Peter King's made the one pact with the devil that no journalist with integrity should ever do: for access, he's essentially a lapdog for the NFL. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that in his appraisal of the 'sentence' that the NFL handed down to Ray Rice for assaulting his fiancee, he punts and doesn't take a position at all. An awful piece of journalism. Shame on Mr. King.

stephenjames716
stephenjames716

First I was horribly disappointed with Roger Godell...now, Peter King. No matter what his record was previously, he knocked out his wife and dragged her by the hair. He should be kicked out of the league. What does this teach young boys/men who love football? I have a son and a daughter and this whole situation makes me sick.

Gunslinger_46
Gunslinger_46

Peter King....talk about not knowing which way to turn. I normally enjoy your opinions and columns and such but after reading this crap? More often than not you sound more like Roger Goodell's mouthpiece than perhaps say?? IMPARTIAL??? But even if you couldn't be impartial, the image of Ray Rice dragging his wife thru the hallway of that Hotel? That says enough for me. He obviously has her in size. But I really don't care how clean his record is? He's been around long enough to understand that the league does have regulations for a reason.

But yet it seems that since you're Ray Rice, with a clean rap sheet? No!! Goodell it seems with go easy and cover your A$% than say.....Johnny 3rd String how would probably face 6 games perhaps????

MargoLane77
MargoLane77

I understand that Peter is mostly a reporter here, passing along what he was told by NFL sources as to why they essentially let Rice get away with the equivalent of a parking ticket for a physical assault on a woman, and let's face it, the NFL PR department could spin it to make it look like the world really ended on December 22, 2012,  flat if they wanted to. The fact is the facade is falling off the NFL idol -- increasingly cases of off the field violence by players (who knows if PEDS or concussions play a role), criminal behavior by owners, a nasty, bullying, homophobic locker room culture (of which even the sainted Tony Dungy is a part). The on-the-field-product is increasingly mediocre, but the league office knows it has to be protected at all costs. No way Goodell was going to suspend a still-key player for one of the league's most prominent teams for more than two games.

Rob56
Rob56

Rice entered counseling to AVOID prosecution, Mr. King. Do your homework.  The first time?  We don't know. Maybe Rice has beaten this woman for years, starting with pushes and slaps. Women who remain with abusive  men lie about what happens, even  to their Moms and their best friends. I doubt this woman told Goodell the truth, and if that's Goodell's excuse, he needs to leave his throne room,  visit a battered women's shelter and talk to staff. Rice's best friend on the Ravens was Ray Lewis . Ray Lewis avoided prosecution for Murder One in part by destroying, his bloody clothing (victim's blood, according to witnesses original testimony) from the night of the murder. Then someone scared the witnesses so they stropped testifying.  Lewis did court-ordered activities with youth and the Ravens Public Relations made him into a God.  Meanwhile Ravens owner Bisciotti and Coach Harbaugh continue the Ravens "Win at any cost, just win baby" philosophy as the East Coast Raiders. Bad enough Bisciotti and Harbaugh moved practice and most of their fans cannot attend.  Raiders were once slime. The Ravens have taken their place, led by Stevie Bisciotti and one John Harbaugh. Too bad. So sad. The NFL defends wife beaters and punjshes people who smoke one joint.  Great, Goodell.

randomer
randomer

Peter, if you ever get tired of being a sportswriter I'm sure there's a position for you in the NFL's PR department.

MikeRice
MikeRice

Janay Palmer was arrested and charged for her part in the violence that night. She also publicly apologized for her actions. This not a victim but an an equal participant in a violent altercation she initiated. That is described and supported by both police report and the official police statement. 


matthewfreitas27
matthewfreitas27

Horrible article trying to cover for a horrible decision. Peter, you need to try to give at least an impression that you are not an NFL shill. You lost credibility long ago, and this just makes all of us think we have been right all along about you. Shameful.

Ronald McDaniel
Ronald McDaniel

I DO NOT CONDONE ANYONE ASSAULTING ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN ANGER!

I DO NOT CONDONE ANYONE ASSAULTING ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN ANGER!

Having said that there are times when the woman is the aggressor. I have seen on many instances where the woman kept on coming . Biting,kicking, scratching, and grabbing anything in reach to use as a weapon. These are the situations that women put THEMSELVES in harms way. Men have hurt women TRYING TO GET AWAY.

I DO NOT CONDONE ANYONE ASSAULTING ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN ANGER!
I DO NOT CONDONE ANYONE ASSAULTING ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN ANGER!

My fear is with all this politically correctness going on this day and age, you are giving women a pass because of perception. Self defense does not seem to apply. As soon as man DEFENDS HIMSELF, he is wrong. And that is not right.

The law is written using terms like "person/his-her/individual" meaning that both men AND WOMEN have the same rights when it comes to self defense.

Assault is assault, self defense is self defense, MAN/ WOMAN OR CHILD.

I DO NOT CONDONE ANYONE ASSAULTING ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN ANGER!
I DO NOT CONDONE ANYONE ASSAULTING ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN ANGER!

ScottAlbritton
ScottAlbritton

Same guy who got into a twitter war with Jonathon Vilma, accusing him of what was never true.

Saints were made a scapegoat due to the concussion lawsuit brought about by the players.

I have no respect for Peter Queen.

surferdad
surferdad

Pretty flimsy, Peter - and very disappointing.  As with Goodell, you are starting to sound like a tool for the owners.  Responding by saying that you are merely giving the facts won't do.  You have offered your opinion on the Redskins' name - this deserves more outrage.  Most of us guys grew up with the words, 'It's never excusable to hit a woman.'  Maybe you missed that lesson.


Time for you to do some self-reflection & recalibrate your priorities...

richardtaylor68521
richardtaylor68521

There is a reason for police departments and DAs often will not go along with the wishes of the abused to not prosecute.  Goodell does not do Rice or the NFL any favors with the leniency

PubliusK1
PubliusK1

Disgusting, Peter.  You're another in a long line of apologists making up excuses for what was obviously a horrible decision.  I am truly confused and wondering if I will every spend another dime on anything related to the NFL.  This has to be fixed.

hblemon
hblemon

How can you look at your family after writing this piece. Picture him punching your daughter in the face, knocking her out and getting 2 games. I love your column but have lost all respect for you as a father/family man. Ask Jenny Vrentas how she views this issue. Would it be ok for you to punch your wife, knock her out and you're fined 2 weeks MMQB.

BenVanDerGracht
BenVanDerGracht

I love you peter king.  I'm from Vancouver, loved the good things you had to say about our city last year.  loved the cfl coverage even though I don't bother watching it cuz the nfl is just so much better.  but you missed it here.  don't know what you were trying to do with this piece.  but it comes off like you are supporting rice.  I would normally respect a media guy for going his own way.  but not on this.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

rgilson1258...


I don't have enough time in my day to read your meandering diatribe.....


the fact that you want to place your own spin on what the rice family life is like and the character of rice's wife is ridiculous and condescending to her. are you really suggesting that she doesn't have the ability or mental capacity to address the situation properly??


the only reason why most of you dolts are posting anything is that you saw a 2 MIN VIDEO... that doesn't mean you have been invited to live at their house for a year and know them intimately... please stop acting as if you have.


statistics are great.... but if the NFL isn't willing to take a hard stand on the washington franchise changing their name then why would you expect them to have a hard stand on anything.  BTW what are the stats on drunk driving deaths in America and please look up what the NFL has done to address THAT under gooddell.


the NFL should not posit themselves as the moral compass of America cause it is not a very tenable position... so if the court did not find it worthy to "lower the boom" per se on ray rice... why shouldn't the NFL do the same.


I am sure both institutions had all the evidence available... much more than you or I for that matter.

rgilson1258
rgilson1258

My youngest of three daughters, now 24, has been around football all her life as I've coached, she raised several points here all of which suggest that that the Ray Rice consequence was far too lenient a response regardless of the player's past.


I agree with her points and had a few of my own:

a) The abused individual's pleadings to not punish, and to suggest it may have been "my fault" are typical of ongoing abusive situations one in particular where you want to avoid a situation where - "look what happened now...see what you've done" is the aftermath of lodging a complaint or responding when, as in this very public incident, there is no way to hide from the public display of violence directed upon the victim.   I would add regardless of how many times she may or may not have lashed out at this professional athlete there is no point at which Ray Rice is allowed to do anything more than appropriate restraining.  


b) From my daughter - the NFL spends a lot of money wearing pink cleats, wristbands, gloves and pink on the referee's uniform in the month of October.  Her direct words, " we are all plenty aware of breast cancer, show me you really care about female fans and supporters of the NFL" and take a powerful stance against violence directed toward women.  Again this is my daughter's statement, and there is no doubt that cancer in all it's forms is insidious and we would all love to find a cure, in 2013, 39,620 women were expected to die from breast cancer.  


But consider these facts shared by Mansur Gidfar, 

  1. Number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq: 6,614:
  2. Number of women, in the same period, killed as the result of domestic violence in the US: 11,766

Or 

  1. Chance that a girl of high school age in the U.S. experiences violence in a dating relationship: 1 in 3

Or

  1. Percentage change between 1980 and 2008 of women and men killed by intimate partners in the U.S.: (w) 43 percent to 45 percent; (m) 10 percent to 5 percent

Or

  1. The number one cause of death for African American women ages 15-34 according to the American Bar Association: homicide at the hands of a partner

Or

  1. Average number of times an abuser hits his spouse before she makes a police report: 35

Or finally


  1. Number of women killed everyday in the U.S. by a spouse: 3+

Ray Rice did not kill his fiance, but he knocked her out... theoretically the love of  his life, DURING his engagement period NOT after a few years of marriage etc., not during the "honeymoon" period.  


A 2 game suspension and a total fine of $529,411.24  against the 4 million he's scheduled to be paid during 2014.  Apparently Ray made about 12.5 Million last year and the year before - had this happened one year earlier the fine for those two games would have been about....1,654,410.13  


But compare that fine - even against the 2014 salary of someone making making the US average Salary of approximately 48,872/year, the fine would be $6468.35 - what happens to the average American in this situation? 


But what's the message sent with this penalty? It really is simple, the NFL got this wrong, young men around the world MUST understand that the girls and women they are with and around are not objects but the most important people in their lives and NO abuse is acceptable.   


The NFL can, and must do more.  

 For my daughters, my granddaughters and millions of other women around the world we need high profile statements when high profile incidents occur.  It's simple, where much is given, much must be expected.

epl
epl

Peter King and best buddy Roger Goodell--I am a police officer and have arrested many people for domestic violence during my career. I also come from a large family and have many sisters and sisters-in-law. Domestic violence is never acceptable and turning your head and pretending a domestic violence assault did not take place is never acceptable either. 


Peter, Instead of putting together a lame list of reasons about why RR is so wonderful a person and is a re-dedicated football player maybe you could have focused on what the NFL should have done with RR and what the Baltimore Ravens should have done with RR when the NFL dropped the ball. Hey, maybe you could have even bothered to reach out to womens groups and DV support groups to see what their reaction is to this lame 2 game suspension. 


Peter you failed miserably in this "article" and I for one am not going to waste my time reading any of your garbage in the future. Next time you have dinner with Roger Goodell, let him know how much he screwed up this RR "suspension". What a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! 


Roger--wake the H#$$ up---you could have sent a strong message to the league but instead you "turtled" like Lemeiux (see his fight with Mcarty------thats hockey Peter).


stackerpentecost1
stackerpentecost1

I am sorry Peter King but once again you've shown a cop-out mentality when it comes to Roger Goodell. Even though you've highlighted the fact that Goodell almost universally has been criticized for his decision to offer such a light suspension on Ray Rice, you have not criticized/excoriated Goodell as you are so prone to do especially with players. You displayed the same restraint when it came to the Colts owner Irsay and his intoxication issues. You have a reputation for bias which I have ignored in the past but I can no longer do so after reading this article. Explaining Goodell's reasons is well and good, your lack of critique on the matter shows to me your support of the decision.

Good luck repairing your credibility with this fan....

ZachSportsNet
ZachSportsNet

People shouldn't be surprised by Peter King's gutless opinion (or non-opinion) here.  He has been Roger Goodell's pet project for years, and the biggest fan boy, cheerleader.  Peter King is usually on the owner's side (with Robert Kraft being another owner Peter King always tries to beautify and suck up too).  But here he made a curious switch to be on the side of a player (whom Roger Goodell supports).  So regardless of where you stand on this issue, let us recognize Peter King as one of the most gutless, fake, and hypocritical football writer in the history of the sport!

boris399
boris399

What did the Saints players get who targeted opposing players and knock them our of the game?  I guess targeting your wife/girlfriend isn't as serious.... 

Sim Pitt
Sim Pitt

Shame on you Peter. I know you have kids of your own, hopefully your words never come back to haunt you.

pamperofirpo
pamperofirpo

Peter King has become the consummate NFL apologist. The reporting on MMQB is tepid.

Here is what no one is asking: Roger Goodall has been the toughest NFL commissioner until this Ray Rice issue....why is that? Given Goodall's track record, I was anticipating a full year suspension...which would probably have been appealed down to eight games. If Terrell Pryor gets five games for selling memorabilia, Ray Rice deserves at least 8-16 games.

Please Peter King: please answer why Goodall has all of a sudden gone soft,

Billytee
Billytee

I have been reading your column for years but I am seriously considering never reading it again unless an apology is forthcoming.  Goodell himself could have written the drivel I have read here today.

Aaron123
Aaron123

Peter -


I have read your work for the past 10 years and almost always enjoyed what you have had to say.  I have never felt the need to comment before.  You have lost most of your credibility with me after seeing this article.  I do not think that it is possible to read your column anymore until you take steps to apologize to readers with this universally offensive article. 


No need to defend what you wrote, simply man up, admit that you were wrong to write this and apologize.  It would go a long way towards fixing the damaged trust that you have created with many of your readers.

Montana-mountainman
Montana-mountainman

Peter your 5 point explanation of why wifebeater rice only got a 2 game suspension is pure conjecture on your part with zero actual solid reasoning. Joke lazy reporting. You are a giant slobbering NFL apologist.

BillPetrello
BillPetrello

Peter, this article from you is very sad. Your usual MMQB columns are filled w/ your musings and opinions. This? It reads like a reporters press release from the NFL. If you justify this by saying you we're reporting only, then I ask you....why did you not ask the commissioner if he had used the September incident on a bus in DC and the Ravens players brawling with people on the bus loaded with at least one stripper in his thought process for evaluating Mr Rice's and the Ravens organization in a culture of violence? Or are you trying to protect Mr Newsome, the NFL, and your access to stories, for as GM, Ozzie should be vocal here? Instead...the Ravens remain quiet.

Reporter or commentator? There is NO WAY you should have justified 2 games. You needed to say it was wrong, and the NFL missed an opportunity to make a sincere effort to curb violence against women. Sad to say, you missed his one, Peter. Big time. And until you condemn this act and the 2 game treatment, I and many others will find your musings pointless.

riverotter1968
riverotter1968

any woman at the first Ravens home game Rice plays in should stand and turn her back to the field for the first Raven's offensive series

Grimlock11
Grimlock11

@2bakes Why are you blindly protecting the man when he admitted he did something wrong and went to counseling. First Ray did hit her and knocked her out. He admitted as much saying he did something wrong and went to counseling. Second his wife/gf admitted to as much saying it never happened before. Third the picture up top is not current. NJ legal system has nothing to be embarrassed about as his wife declined to press charges. Stop blindly defending someone when they do something wrong. 


Ray did something wrong and hopefully will learn and not repeat his actions. 

2bakes
2bakes

@stephenjames716 he didnt drag anybody by their hair...wow. How bout you actually read about the case a little first, youre clearly clueless...

2bakes
2bakes

@Rob56 Actually, the prosecution declined to take the case to court AND allowed him into Pre-Trial Intervention. do YOUR homework.

dutchrjen
dutchrjen

@rgilson1258 Your entire comment is sexist to the extreme. As someone who is a victim of violent women in the past I take offense. Do your research better. Women and men BOTH admit to having started partner violence in about equal numbers. Women commit 80% of child abuse (killing more children than men), women initiate about 27% of domestic partner violence, men start about 23% of domestic partner violence, and about 50% of violence cases are started equally by men AND women. Men are OFFICIALLY about 40% of the known victims of domestic violence (numbers are probably higher in reality because many men don't come forward when a woman is violent towards them or injures them; social stigma towards men is even greater than it is towards women). Men are also about twice as likely to be a victim of violence in society (often injuries are caused by women and often times men don't want to report it as such; getting hurt by a woman is laughable to society and there are plenty of examples of this). Women's violence against men is considered funny on TV, in commercials, and by society at large. However, the reality of it is men don't find it so funny when it happens to them. Women are also responsible for more elderly abuse (men are responsible for most of the male on male violence however). On average the most severe injuries done to women result when women initiate the violence. About 86% of women who initiate violence use a weapon at some point. Even the strongest man will be weak and vulnerable at some point in his life and weapons most definitely level the playing field. Women can AND most definitely DO hurt and kill males (about 33% of partner deaths) and they start a lot of violence.


HITTING ANYONE IS BAD NOT JUST HITTING WOMEN. 


Solving domestic abuse by pointing fingers at males wont solve the problem. If women are equal to men then they are 50% responsible for domestic issues on average.  


Women are NOT all roses and butterflies. Making it just as much of a social taboo for women to hit men and parents to hit children will probably do more for domestic violence than just focusing on men hitting women. In the end this will save men, women, AND children from strife. I was forced to throw my own mother to the ground when I was 17 because she wanted to hit my sister over the head with a broom (when she was home from Iraq). And the cops wanted to arrest my dad who was sick with cancer and in bed during the incident (one of many). Many women ARE violent and society admitting this may stop some of this violence. 


Also Feminism's statistics are way off the mark and inflated (but no one can dispute them without being called a misogynist no matter how biased their methods are). Many people dispute their authenticity including some feminists.


Here's a ref on this issue:


REF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TR_YuDFIFI  


"The Top Five Feminist Myths of All Time" Posted by a Feminist.


The true number of sexual assaults put out by the BOJ and FBI is more like 1-in-40. NOT the 1-in-4 reported by bloated feminist statistics *but widely disseminated in society).

"The 1 in 40 estimate comes from the Bureau of Justice Statistics'  Violent Victimization of College Students report:  http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvcs02.pdf
The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated 6 victimizations per thousand per year, which means that about 1-in-40 women will be victims of sexual assault during the course of a four-year college career. (Keep in mind that this estimate includes attempted attacks, verbal threats, and unwanted sexual contact including groping or fondling-- not just completed rapes.)"*

Methodology:

This report presents data on rape,

sexual assault, aggravated assault,

and simple assault against college age

persons (18-24 years old) from the

National Crime Victimization Survey

(NCVS). The NCVS gathers data on

crimes against persons age 12 or

older, reported and not reported to the

police, from a nationally representative

sample of U.S. households. 

No research gets more formal then the BOJS (yet feminists report their own bloated biased stats)


We do NOT live in a rape culture. Feminist stats are way off the mark and inflated. Why does society allow this? Why is it that ONE story of a few women getting mistreated outrages society and makes everyone think there's something like rape culture? But if a thousand or more males get mistreated oh well..... And if anyone speaks out then they are misogynists.

JamesArrington
JamesArrington

@rgilson1258 Very well said, I don't have any daughters but I am trying to raise young men who respect their mother and women in general.  These numbers are scary and the NFL has given a clear message that domestic violence is not that important in the grand scheme of things.  Disgusting.

fuggetaboutit909
fuggetaboutit909

@epi...


you are a police officer.. .thanks for your service.  I once again turn to the score sheet... donte stallworth killed someone and received a 16 game suspension.


using that benchmark then 2 games seems about right.... NFL has been very consistent when dealing with first time offenders as the courts also do as we saw in this very case.

ZachSportsNet
ZachSportsNet

@BillPetrello Very good point.  But not too surprising, right?  Peter King is really Roger Gooddell's friend and pet, the guy whom Peter King put in front of SI cover as the most power man in sports ("Throne of King" as the tagline)  Pretty disgusting. 

dutchrjen
dutchrjen

@Grimlock11 @2bakes The hit to her face did NOT cause the damage that knocked her out. The hit to her face caused her to fall backwards/sideways where she hit her head on the railing inside of the elevator. They were both drunk and she was wearing flip flops so it's hard to say how much force was necessary to get her to fall. You can clearly see her fighting to regain balance before she hit the railing then it was lights out. No one ever saw any damage to her face and more than a few eyewitnesses saw her after the incident. The only damage she received was a blow to the back/side/top of the head (hard to say exactly what hit first). If he hit her with full force she would have had broken teeth, broken jaw, at least some bruising, or at least SOME level of damage to her face (she also would have fallen completely limp but she didn't and put her arms out in a vain attempt to stop her fall).


I am NOT defending anyone and a play by play look at the incident shows that NEITHER of them are innocent. (from all reports she spat on him once, then he spat on her, then she punched him in the throat with some unknown amount of force she gets away from him, then he like an idiot goes into the elevator and they start yelling profanity at each other, she hits him with an unknown amount of force, he spat on her, they exchange two blows, he backs up, she heads towards him, and he hits her ONCE; then the weird body dragging thing happened which was odd but not assault or anything.... just extremely weird and you could tell he was very drunk).


No matter how you look at it they were both drunk, stupid, and everything they got was a result of their stupid actions. He was in the NFL and the NFL is more than justified at firing Rice for his part in the incident but she was NOT innocent.


2bakes
2bakes

@Grimlock11
The terms "blindly" implies that im somehow ignoring some facts or realities of the situation, and in fact, you are the only one blindly doing anything.


1) Ray Rice never admitted to knocking anybody out, you're literally making that up.

2) It was reported that night that neither party received medical attention of any sort or sustained any injuries.

3) They went to marriage counseling...not "I beat my wife counseling." again you're making things up.

4) The wife didnt admit any aggravated assault was committed either, she said they' had never fought like that before. Once again, you're connecting dots that arent there.

4) Doesnt matter what the wife declined to do, in New Jersey the prosecution can press charges and initiate a trial regardless. The law is set up like this because they recognize the potential for complications from stockholm like victims. The prosecution explicitly decide themselves, not to pursue the charges of aggravated assault any further because they were obviously unfounded. 


I'm not blindly defending anyone, I'm clearly far more informed than you are, so you're out of line to use the term to begin with. Rice may have done something wrong, but that something quite clearly was not aggravated assault.

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