Al Behrman/AP
Al Behrman/AP

It’s All on Andy … and Hue

Andy Dalton got one monkey off his back—a contract—but he still has to get another: a playoff win. Enter Hue Jackson, Cincy's new offensive boss and the man charged with getting the QB to perform in January. Plus, reader email

CINCINNATI — We can debate the merits of the Andy Dalton contract, and this week in this excitable football town people will. But this is the most important factoid to take away from the contract: There is a very, very small chance the Bengals will cut Dalton in the first three years of the contract, because it’s so team-friendly; if Dalton doesn’t win a playoff game in the first two years of the deal, the value of the contract is three years, $35.5 million, according to Pro Football Talk. It’s more if he starts to win playoff games, which it should be. But $12 million a year for a quarterback who won 30 games in his first three seasons? That’s pretty manageable.

I wrote about the signing Monday when, serendipitously, The MMQB training-camp tour rolled into Bengals camp.  But now, let’s look ahead.

In particular, let’s look at what the signing means for the Cincinnati offense, and for new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson.

This is the big complaint I’ve heard from Bengals insiders about the offense since Dalton took the rein. Five years ago, the Bengals ran on half of their snaps (505 of 1,011), a number Marvin Lewis likes. Since then, the percentage has fallen. In Dalton’s three years (30 wins, 18 losses), Cincinnati has not run as much as 45 percent in any of the seasons. It’s one thing if you have a ball-control quarterback like Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, or, last year, Philip Rivers or Russell Wilson. But the Bengals have to shorten the game, particularly with an able offensive line lead by stalwart tackle Andrew Whitworth and rising guard Kevin Zeitler. The way to do that is to get closer to 50-percent runs, which is what the offensive staff is aiming to do.

Andy Dalton has a QB rating of 56.2 in three career playoff games, all losses. (Al Behrman/AP)
Andy Dalton has a QB rating of 56.2 in three career playoff games, all losses. (Al Behrman/AP)

That brings us to Dalton. And to Jackson.

The Bengals presented a united front Monday in the wake of Dalton’s new six-year contract, which is worth $96 million without incentives, and $115 million if he maxes out the incentives. We got the message: Cincinnati coaches, ownership and players all love Dalton and never thought of doing without him. Owner Mike Brown told me it wasn’t difficult to understand; he thinks Dalton’s a very good player, and he and daughter Katie Blackburn, the club negotiator, knew that to keep him they’d have to pay something near the going rate for him. True. But the contract speaks volumes. In the first three years, he’s paid like a middle-class quarterback, at best. If he comes through, he stays. If not, the Bengals can cut their losses and draft another quarterback in 2017. This buys them time to see if Dalton can respond to pressure better than he has (physical pressure, not mental pressure). His response to pressure against San Diego in the playoff loss last season was awful; he blew the game in the second half with some horrible throws with the blitz bearing down on him.

So now it’s up to Jackson to max out Dalton’s potential. It’s a pretty good opportunity for both men. Dalton needs to shut up Cincinnatians who view him as a choker. Jackson needs to win with Dalton in the playoffs, which will advance his mission to get another shot to be a head coach after his alternately successful and controversial short reign as Raiders head coach.

“What I’ve tried to do,” Jackson said on the practice field after the late-afternoon practice Monday, “is change the mindset a little bit. I think he understands that now, playing quarterback, every defensive coordinator is trying to defeat you. They’re not trying to defeat the offensive football team—they’re coming after you. He saw it last year. That’s my job, to have him understand defenses are now about defeating the other guys; it’s about hitting the quarterback from the time he hits the stadium to the time he leaves. He has to welcome that challenge. 

“We truly believe in him. But he has to change the perception of him by the way he plays. On the field—that’s the only way he changes it. There’s no other way to change that perception. It’s not going to be because he says something magical or I say something magical. It’s all about winning. You gotta play and get it done. That’s the reality of life in the NFL.”

CINCINNATI CAMP REPORT: Ready to take next step

See why Jackson’s the right guy to try to take Dalton to the next level? He’s going to tell him the reality of what he faces. Marvin Lewis can say the playoff foibles are his fault, or 46 players’ fault in unison. No one’s buying it. Great quarterbacks win in January. And the Bengals are in a division with the traditionally dominant teams reloading. Pittsburgh and Baltimore are contenders, but no more so than Cincinnati. This is the golden opportunity for the Bengals, over the next two seasons, while the rest of the division matures. But it’s up to Dalton, the player under the most pressure of any quarterback in the league this year. If he wins, the Bengals win. And Jackson wins.

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Editor’s note: This column had planned to be about some of the teams not covered extensively in the Monday column. My apologies. News happened. I will have Tampa Bay, Tennessee and Jacksonville dispatches in my Monday column next week.

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Cam Newton (Chuck Burton/AP)
Entering his fourth NFL season, Cam Newton is the unquestioned leader of the Panthers. (Chuck Burton/AP)

HE SAYS I BLEW THE STORY ON CAM NEWTON. The title of Monday’s column should be called ‘The Maturation of Peter.’ This is just another example of a reporter trying to become an entertainer/icon and make news instead of report on it. This is only a story because you made it into one. While many of the others in his draft class have had brushes with the law or just fizzled out Cam has been nothing short of endearing to the city of Charlotte and its youth. Oh and he has been, statistically, the greatest quarterback to ever play the game when taking into account the first three years.

—Pablo

Pablo, this was an example of a reporter/columnist trying to explain an inside story about our profession and a player who was man enough to talk to a foe instead of just continuing to ignore him.

CAM SHOULD NOT HAVE A BEEF WITH ME. Thanks for taking the time to relate your recent conversation with Cam Newton. I always enjoy the MMQB column, especially these “behind the scenes” stories. Regarding Cam’s reaction to what you tweeted/printed three years ago, I’m not sure I understand his objections. While I don’t always agree with your view (part of what makes your columns interesting), in this instance it seems to me: 1) Cam made the statement; 2) You printed it; 3) It was not out of context; 4) At no point have I seen anything that suggests Cam retracted the statement. In fact, it appears to me that he is indeed trying to fulfill the ‘entertainer and icon’ roles, and effectively. The NFL is, at its core, entertainment. As for icon, filling a community and role-model is part of being an “icon.” His reaction to your reporting (imagine that!) seems disproportionate. While I agree with you that him coming to you to “let bygones be bygones” shows his maturity, I question whether there were “bygones” in the first place. At any rate, all’s well that ends well.

—Michael Heintz

I understand why he was upset, and why those close to him were. Was I right? Was he right? I think you could make an argument for either side, but I do think quoting a man correctly should never be a black mark against a journalist, nor should it be a black mark for a columnist to say how it might affect his draft standing.

CAROLINA CAMP REPORT: Peter King on the Panthers

ON OLBERMANN. I appreciate your thoughts on what you felt Roger Goodell should have said regarding Ray Rice. But I would also have loved to hear your thoughts on Keith Olbermann’s call for Goodell to resign. Isn’t it time for these type of media members to stop making these grand declarations that contribute nothing to the overall discussion about such an important issue like domestic violence and instead change the discussion to these nonsensical comments?

—Mike

Mike, I think it’s over-reaching to say Goodell should resign over his Rice sanction, but opinions are what makes the TV world go ’round. Didn’t really think too much about Keith Olbermann’s strident opinion. Those kinds of opinions are good. They make people think.

INTERESTING QUESTION FROM ISRAEL. If one unit on a team (defense or offense) is much better than the other, does this help or hurt the other unit when they practice? I’m thinking specifically about the Rex Ryan Jets with their superior defense, but it could be a lot of teams. If the defense is dominating the offense in practice, does this help the offense to raise its game, or does it discourage the offense? Or no effect? As always, thanks for the great reads. This week, I particularly liked the bit on Jordan Gross.

—Baruch Gitlin, Beit Shemesh, Israel

Talk Back

Got a question for Peter King? Submit it, along with your name and hometown, to talkback@themmqb.com and it might be included in next Tuesday’s mailbag.

Thanks a lot for writing from Israel, Baruch. Good question. Your point is that maybe the defense overwhelms the offense in Jets practice sometimes. But I find when an offense—for example—has to face a very good defense every day in practice, it becomes a sort of iron-sharpens-iron situation. The NFC East in the eighties and early nineties became so strong because they had to beat each other up so much during the regular season, and when those teams got to the playoffs, I think they found the sledding a little easier than what they’d faced during the season. So I think it’s good that Geno Smith has to make throws against a smart, aggressive scheme. He’ll then be ready for the smart aggressive schemes he faces during the year.

THE MMQB MIGHT HAVE A DRINKING PROBLEM, HE THINKS. Peter, I know that this may be an unpopular opinion, but the reaction that your team had to not being able to get alcohol for one day is kind of pathetic. I drink myself, so I am not some anti-alcohol nut trying to berate you. I also have made many long drives (13 hours-plus at times with kids that were not always entertained by the trip) and can understand the desire for something relaxing at the end of a trip, but to feature the need for alcohol your driving team has as the number one item in your travel notes does not reflect well upon your column. Maybe you could have cut down on your 9,200 word column without that bit. I’ll still read it, and still enjoy it, and skip over your beernerdness and coffeenerdness like I always do. Thanks for all the great reading over the years!

—Mike Olsen

Mike, all I try to do in these columns is to be a little human. And if the driver who has had to be a tee-totaler for a few days while the rest of us get to have a beer in RV while we’re driving from place to place … I don’t know. I think you might be overreacting to a human thing about a few guys looking forward to a beer at the end of a long day and being stunned than there are places in America that don’t trust adults to be able to have a drink on Sundays.

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WE ARE NOT A MUSICAL BANDWAGON. I liked reading the note about all of the music being played at NFL practices but it made me think – who is controlling the tunes on the MMQB Tour Bus? Aside from a steady diet of Springsteen, who are the most popular artists?

—Christian

We don’t have a sound system on the RV, Christian. And we usually use the time on the road to either write (I have my QC-20 Bose earbud-type headphones quite often while I write, listening to my eclectic mix, from Taylor Swift to U2 to the Beatles to Linkin Park to Rilo Kiley) or have long conversations about life.

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The Brain1
The Brain1

So you really didn't think much about the Olbermann comment, but the next sentence you go on to say that what he said makes people think? Always thought you were from outer space...

Joe10
Joe10

Really? Taylor Swift? I can suggest some very good music if you need a new playlist.


Now on to other things: @magister.ludi - I disagree with you. Peter King is a reporter. He was conducting an on-the-record interview which he was invited to do by Cam Newton. It is Peter King's job to report on what he is told in interviews that may be relative to the sport.

magister.ludi
magister.ludi

Peter King, will you please quote me in large bolded print?  because apparently you need help with reading...  certainly you are wrong. in quoting Cam Newton.   can you find 50 people to disagree with me?  sure.  are they stupid?  if they can't read, possibly..  Reading comprehension should go a long way in your line of work...  doesn't take too much effort to see why.

Diana
Diana

Maybe if you non-Catholic/Jewish trolls drank more - you'd be less bitchy. Lighten the eff up ppl!

gary7
gary7

"another example of a reporter trying to become an entertainer/icon and make news instead of report on it."  I give Peter kudos for putting that up, but you side step that  statement quicker than Mike Wise can call Native Americans Racist for believing in the name Redskins and or Bob Costas running to Dr. McNamara or Dr. Troy to suck on some more Botox , Hate to paint this with a wide brush but a wider brush is needed, Sportwriters and TV Anchors are as  Pretentious as 17 year old Hollywood Girls .

alan.fournier49
alan.fournier49

How would you like to come out of the shower and have dozens of men and women staring at your junk. This is what management and media do to male pro-sport athletes. They have effectively silenced male athletes on this. They face fines and discipline by the leagues and vilification in the media. Look up an article by Shuana Richer in the Globe and Mail last year. It was the of the most disgusting, vulgar and voyeristic pieces of shaming thrash I have ever seen. You would never, ever see women being put into situations of forced nudity, ever, let alone a man writing an article like that about women. I stopped supporting pro team sports long ago because of this. These men are owned like livestock, and are treated as such. I don't care how big, rich or tough they may seem.There are some things that shouldn't have a price. Human dignity being one of them. 


Tell me one other reputable organization that forces people to do their jobs naked in front of an audience, very often against their will. Nor do I think pro-sport an appropriate role model for boys. It tells them that their role models have no right to boundaries. In this day and age that's the last message that young men should be getting. On so many levels this is wrong. Donald Serling is far from alone in showing contempt for these men. Management and the media have reduced one of the highest forms of human endeavour to something cheap, tawdry and vulgar. For those who don't like what I'm saying, don't shot the messenger. I dare someone to prove me wrong? That is what we enable when we support pro-sport. I will not pay for any endeavour that treats grown men like this.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/050811

CobyPreimesberger
CobyPreimesberger

again lets's look at some suspensions with both on and off the field.  big ben accusations of rape no charges brought in either case 6 with his behavior 4, haynesworth raking his spikes over an opponent 4 games, gordon his 2nd positive test for weed, started at 4, notice this, all started at 4 this is the first time he let someone off lightly, and again now it appears according to jay glazer, goodell only saw the one video and not the other

Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan
Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan

Commissioner Goodell should NOT step down because of the Ray Rice matter.After all, isn’t Goodell the founding father of the NFL’s personal-conduct policy?Isn’t he the one who introduced the word “accountability” to NFL players?Importantly, the punishment Goodell imposed on Rice is not only consistent with precedent in similar matters (i.e., a one or two-game suspension), but also falls squarely within what many expected to be a “multigame suspension.”(Some, like myself, expected a four-game suspension.)Clearly, Rice’s discipline—a two-game suspension PLUS the loss of an additional game check as a fine—is at the low end of a “multigame suspension.”It’s equally clear that Goodell saw or heard something that, in his judgment, worked to mitigate the degree of punishment he might have otherwise handed down.I understand the emotions Rice’s case engenders because I share those.But Goodell can’t rush to judgment.Instead, he must thoughtfully assess matters like these on a case-by-case basis.It’s noteworthy that Rice’s case is DIFFERENT from other prominent cases cited by critics of Goodell’s ruling.Different facts.Different allegations. Different guidelines.Different punishment.Also, politicians make political statements, not NFL Commissioners.Goodell’s job is NOT to make a “political statement” here by deviating significantly from precedent.Instead, Goodell is, for the most part, bound by it.Like others, I sometimes disagree with Goodell.But I’ll defer to his judgment in this case.Why?Because, unlike him, I haven’t seen the full record of Rice’s case and didn’t attend any face-to-face meeting with the parties.I kind of think that matters.

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

What is it with people named Mike?  Are they all pinheads?  The two letters from Mikes are both laughable trash.

Whodunittt
Whodunittt

PS

Scam Newton deserved to get exactly what he received for his stupid icon and entertainer comments. If "his people" were so worried about him, maybe they shoulda simply kept him away from the press entirely.

If Newton is the leader of the Panthers, I can guarantee they will remain Championship winless.

Whodunittt
Whodunittt

All,

I noticed the smart azzed replies but I didn't notice anything factual. No, any southern county does NOT have to include blasphemous thinking into their Sunday No Booze laws.

If you morons are dying to drink on Sunday, stay in Loserville, err...New Jersey, where losers are "King".

Treaticus
Treaticus

The quote that PK used was taken out of context. The PR company was representing a clothing company and had Cam as spokesperson. They were the ones setting up the interviews. Of course he would make a comment like that. I am not sure PK ever stated that in the interview. I think PK should have said nothing about this most  recent encounter and let it go. PK wrote this piece to defend himself and nothing more. PK comes across as arrogant about how he decides when and how Newton matures. What a a**!

cdcolocd
cdcolocd

 sorry Peter... absolutely no one cares if Cam Newton, or any player, is talking to you or not.

blynder
blynder

@magister.ludi

Don't feed the trolls, just don't feed 'em!  Don't do it!  Don't, just done.  You feed the trolls and next thing you know you have troll drool all over your car and that weird sticky substance increases gas mileage! Don't do it!

MadDoser
MadDoser

@magister.ludi Certainly you are an idiot.  I would say given the 3 opinions here that at least 47 other people here probably disagree with you.  PILE ON PEOPLE.

Mike26
Mike26

You shouldn't post while drinking.

MadDoser
MadDoser

@alan.fournier49 STOP POSTING THIS BS EVERYWHERE!! Nobody agrees with you because you are an extremist idiot.

FreddieFunStuff
FreddieFunStuff

Wow. Do you shower in jorts? Contact

Dr Tobias Fünke for help.

blynder
blynder

@alan.fournier49

You posted something similar to this last week right?  I seem to remember it.  

I thought there were some answers to this issue there.  Not sure if you saw those.

I would like to take one issue, however, with what you said: "You would never, ever see women being put into situations of forced nudity, ever, let alone a man writing an article like that about women. I stopped supporting pro team sports long ago because of this."

If you compare that statement with Seth McFarlane's "We Saw Your Boobs" song from the Oscars, the idea that women are pressured into showing their naked bodies happens far more to one gender than the other.  Women's naked bodies are used FAR MORE than men - not saying it is right; just saying there are so many more examples of women being used to sell, get attention etc with their nudity than men.

JamesMartens
JamesMartens

@CobyPreimesberger I could be wrong but you never hear about the first positive drug test Coby.  You only know about the first positive drug test because they get suspended for 4 games with the 2nd positive test.

Mike26
Mike26

@CobyPreimesberger Congratulations Coby, you used a period!  (Now just add capitalization and sentence structure - including another period or two - and you'll be dang near coherent!)

CobyPreimesberger
CobyPreimesberger

@Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan yeah and what were finding out now is even worse, as guess what, it looks like goodell never even watched the tape, and again ben rothlesberger, 1st time offender, no tape, no charges, just accusastions of rape charges in 2 cases, he was a 1st time offender got 6 knocked down to 4, plus goodell also did the worse thing as far as face-to-face, he had palmer and rice interviewed at the same time, which any prosecutor knows you never do.  plus again it's bull to say he was bound by it, he's just making up an excuse and again ever since tags smacked him on the bounty-gate penalties, he's been a wuss

Rascal11
Rascal11

@MoeLarryAndJesus  I have been reading these columns for years and have never been moved to respond until now. I have to ask why such hatred in your posts? You and a few of your compatriots seem to joy in arguing and name calling and making fun of other people's opinions more than commenting on the column itself. I know you will probably have a go at me now but I just wanted to say that this would be a much more enjoyable place for us all if you guys would just cut it out...

Treaticus
Treaticus

@Whodunittt


You are not very bright. Guess your mommy dropped you on your head quite often. 

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

@Whodunittt The real Loserville is the entire South, where morons still wrap the Confederate flag around everything to celebrate being losers.

CharlesFreeman
CharlesFreeman

Speak for yourself. Many readers enjoyed the insight provided by this particular item which explained why there'd been virtually no interaction between Newton and PK in recent seasons.

rmcjls
rmcjls

That's a pretty short-sighted statement. It's generally accepted in journalism that the reporters with the best access command the biggest readership. If PK can't get a quote or story from Newton, it decreases his value as a journalist. Imagine if Carolina goes to the Super Bowl, how would MMQB stack up against its competition if Newton won't share his perspective with them?

alan.fournier49
alan.fournier49

@blynder @alan.fournier49 Tell me one other reputable organization that puts it's participants in this situation. Reverse the genders and this would be criminal. No where in North American society would we accept exploiting women nudity in such a blatant and public manner. You're minimizing and dismissing it. Why is it every time a mens issue is raised it has to become about women? You see I haven't a problem with equality. My issue is that men deserve the rights, value, dignity, compassion, and yes modesty, that society demands for women. The problem is that other men are the ones who deny men those rights by indulging their chivalry at their expense. There is a growing body of evidence that supports this. It's often referred to as the "chivalry hypothesis". I don't suffer from false modesty. I have enjoy many occasions with both genders in my youth where all modesty was thrown to the wind. But I had a choice. These men do not. I would bet that every man who has a problem with what I am saying, would never, ever, support any endeavour that would do this to women. And women would never have allowed it. Unlike many men their collective gender integrity would denounce it. Think about that?

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

@Mike26 @CobyPreimesberger  Maybe some day Mikey will stop ending most of his poorly constructed sentences with exclamation points and he'll be qualified to critique Coby.


But today is not that day.

BushidoBrownsRevenge
BushidoBrownsRevenge

@CobyPreimesberger @Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan Was he a first time offender if he was accused twice? Nothing happened to Big Ben the first time he was accused. The have been plenty of suspension worse than Big Ben's. Like Terrell Pryor who was never even accused of a crime. Just breaking an NCAA rule.

Wombat
Wombat

@Rascal11 @MoeLarryAndJesus If you mean me as one of MLJ's compatriots then I apologize. It was never my intention to take up so much space here. I just felt bullied by his responses and didn't want to let them stand... sorry folks! 

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

@Rascal11 @MoeLarryAndJesus  Tell you what, I'll cut it out as soon as the right-wing nutjobs stop whining every single time PK makes a left-of-Limbaugh social observation.


But we both know that will never, ever happen.

Mike26
Mike26

@Treaticus  That was substantive - care to actually discuss your disagreement?

blynder
blynder

@alan.fournier49 @blynder

I've thought about it, and I'm familiar w/the MRA's and what they're espousing. The element lacking in those is a lack of understanding of systemic oppression - but that is a conversation for another location. In  this instance, where women are required to use/show their bodies is in locations that far out number the locker room for professional athletes.

I apologize if you felt I was minimizing it and dismissing it - merely saying that they are not equal in comparison as there is that element of oppression that exists as well.  People bash feminism, mostly because they don't understand what it "really" stand for - in this case, there are lots of feminists who are men who ALSO think of the systemic objectification of anyone's body as problematic. So, let me attempt to be clear - I don't think being forced to show one's body against ones one will is appropriate - at any time. I also have heard that there are steps in place for professional athletes so that they are not forced into that position AND it should be addressed/talked about if it is still happening.

Mike26
Mike26

If Moe says it then it must be true.

Rascal11
Rascal11

@Mike26 @Rascal11 Whatever. I've read this site for years. I haven't joined in here until now because I only care about the football. I have been watching you guys for a while though and you, wombat, and MoeLarryandJesus are an almost perfect example of what is wrong with our counrty today. You all yell at each other, bully individuals with opinions that differ from your own, and listen to no one. It doesn't work in the real world and it won't work here. There. I've said my piece. Here's to another decade without comment.

FreddieFunStuff
FreddieFunStuff

Left , right, or right down the center, I just don't want to be eating my sports and accidentally bite into politics. It tastes terrible and is full of Weiners

Rascal11
Rascal11

@MoeLarryAndJesus @Rascal11 Maybe, and I agree that the folks you refer to as nutjobs do often go to the extreme right but many times I see you tear people a new one for just having an opinion that is different from yours... If they are offensive have at it but don't people, even conservatives have a right to their opinions if stated honestly? They don't really deserve name calling then do they?

Mike26
Mike26

Rascal, I'm not one to combat folks - especially those that have little to actually say like MLJ. Like you said - he mostly attacks people in 99% of his posts. Sometimes I attempt to discuss even the simplest of issues, just to see if he's capable of civil interaction, and each time he's not. I mostly poke at folks like MLJ that make hateful, blanket statements about matters in contrast to his opinion.

As for me picking on others, the only person I do that to is Coby. If you truly believe that it's perfectly OK for someone to post barely-coherent comments without even 3rd grade level composition skills, then I'd have to say that your acceptance of repeatedly mediocre communication skills on a global website is much more serious. Yes, I come here for the football too, although I miss the softball stories about his daughters' playing days. So I guess we'll just have to disagree about who's bullying who, who's attacking here, etc.

Wombat
Wombat

@Rascal11 @Mike26 @Rascal11 Maybe so... maybe not Ras, perhaps doing nothing is also part of the problem. How many people are a part of the "silent majority" that just let life happen to them? Not sayin you're wrong... just food for thought.

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

@Rascal11 @MoeLarryAndJesus  Sometimes they do, Rascal.  I started posting here due to the incessant whining of right-wing posters EVERY time PK tripped over their Fox-Zombie-tripwires.  I'll call them as I see them. 


I remember them doing the same to Paul Zimmerman when he was the big voice here.  I wish I'd done the same back then. 

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

@Mike26  What's the difference in meaning between "little to say" and "little to actually say"?  Nothing, of course, but the second version sounds stupid.  Mikey tosses in the word "actually" because in his tiny little mind he thinks it makes him sound intelligent.  Lousy writers like Mikey have numerous tells like that one.  He just can't help himself.

Wombat
Wombat

@MoeLarryAndJesus @Rascal11 Does it have any effect? Do they stop? And what about the folks that aren't right wing nutjobs but they just don't agree with your world view? I for one have a few conservative leanings, (mostly financial in nature), but am fairly liberal... I voted for Hillary! I agree with the legalized pot movement... you can't just toss around blanket labels because you want to out scream someone's opinion. That's not how a democracy is supposed to work. Just sayin... anyway, thanks for the dialog this time instead of the names...

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