Broncos Report: No Looking Back

The reigning AFC champs underwent major reconstruction since that game in February and have looked as formidable as ever this summer. But, oh, those creaking 30-something bones . . .

DeMarcus Ware showed what he’s capable of by manhandling Russell Wilson in the first preseason game. ( Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)
DeMarcus Ware showed what he’s capable of by manhandling Russell Wilson in the first preseason game. ( Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

A different training camp report from the others our staff has done in the last month. Peter King spent two days this week at the Denver practice facility watching the Broncos and Texans practice and interviewing people from both teams. First, a story about the Broncos, followed by the training camp report.

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.—The architect of the AFC champions stood on the sideline of a training-camp practice Tuesday and stared out at a different landscape. Finally, the Broncos are building an indoor practice facility—it’s a gargantuan luxury barn due to be operational by November—and the evergreen trees that dotted the west side of the practice fields are gone, replaced by a hill and one of three video towers and this new indoor facility. Turns out owner Pat Bowlen, who stepped down last month due to advancing Alzheimer’s disease, wanted the indoor facility for a long time—the Broncos have been forced inside by lightning as much as by rain and snow—and committed $35 million toward the new place and renovations to existing facilities.

“One of the things I got from Pat,’’ said John Elway, “is how winning was more important than any business success he could have. His competitive nature, doing whatever he could to provide a winning atmosphere, ruled all his business decisions.”

Bowlen would have wanted the kind of big, brassy offseason Elway oversaw. It was bold, and it was fast. It needed to be big because of that very bad day in New Jersey last winter. Let’s start there. I asked Elway if it’s worse to lose a Super Bowl narrowly, or to screw up the first center snap of the game, never be in the game and get blown out 43-8, the way Denver did last February?

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“Well,’’ said Elway, smiling, “I’ve never lost a Super Bowl any other way.’’

True that. In a four-year span in the ’80s, Elway’s Broncos lost Super Bowls by 19, 32 and 45 points. “In the off-season, the ridicule never ends,” Elway said. “You work so hard to get to the game, and it’s just … For us, this time, every mistake just got magnified, and they became tidal waves, not ripples. We just could never change the momentum. I don’t know how much, but I think it gives us some incentive coming into this year.”

There’s not much talk about 43-8 around here, or about Super Bowl hangovers. There is talk about what is new. Though the age of so many important players should be cause for concern (more about that later), Elway had a pretty good offseason doing some reconstruction where it was needed. No AFC team enters the season with a better chance to get to the Super than Denver, the team with the best record (26-6) in the league over the last two regular seasons. But we might not be able to say that if Elway hadn’t had the kind of off-season Pat Bowlen would love: aggressive, and all-in.

What got fixed, Denver hopes:

  • The pass rush. The Broncos never really replaced Elvis Dumervil’s production last year, though Shaun Phillips did have a 10-sack season. An elbow injury marked DeMarcus Ware’s decline in Dallas last year at 31—he went without a sack in eight of his last 10 games—but he’s an upgrade over Phillips and should be better being solely on the edge now. Ware told me he feels he’ll be able to rush more effectively here. That’s in part because he’ll be lasered in on edge-rushing and not worrying about coverage or inside run defense. The early news is good: In Ware’s first preseason game he played only 10 snaps but sacked a juking Russell Wilson once and forced him to throw another ball away. Then there’s Von Miller. He played only nine games last year because of a suspension and injury. Miller and Ware, and a healthy Derek Wolfe (back from a seizure and mental-health issues) at the end opposite Ware should give defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio some interesting chess pieces to move around.
  • The secondary. The defensive backfield was supposed to be a strength last year, but great secondaries don’t give up 4,360 passing yards, as this one did. This defensive backfield is tougher now, with the addition in free-agency of cornerback Aqib Talib (replacing the departed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie) and strong safety T.J. Ward. Champ Bailey aged out too and is gone to New Orleans. Talib’s not quite as good a pure cover guy as DRC, but he’s tougher. Watching Talib matched up against young star DeAndre Hopkins of the Texas on Wednesday in a padded practice was a treat. Talib would win a play, Hopkins would win one—and when that happened, Talib was livid. Talib’s had the benefit of practicing against Tom Brady for a year and a half, and now Manning. “There’s not much you haven’t seen after you go against those two guys,” he said. Talib told me he thinks he’ll be a better-prepared cornerback because of facing Manning so much in practice. “Peyton’s definitely the toughest quarterback I’ve played against in practice,” he said. “With those wideouts he’s got running around, how much he changes up, it definitely prepares you for Sunday. It’s a workout every day we come out here.”
  • The offensive line. The line was the underdiscussed goat, collectively, of the Super Bowl disaster, with right tackle Orlando Franklin getting abused by the Seattle edge-rush and Chris Clark not faring much better on the left side. The big addition here is the return of Ryan Clady at left tackle from a Lisfranc injury. That pushes Clark, a subpar left tackle, over to the right side (where, by the way, he took a swing at J.J. Watt during a one-on-one rush drill Wednesday), while Franklin moves inside to guard. Clady looked good this week in individual pass-rush drills against Jadeveon Clowney.
  • The receiver group. If Emmanuel Sanders can stay healthy—and he has had a nagging quad injury all summer—he can be every bit the threat new Jet Eric Decker was. He’s faster. With Sanders and Demaryius Thomas outside and Wes Welker and Jacob Tamme (reprising the Dallas Clark slot role from Indianapolis), Manning will always find someone open. And we haven’t even mentioned tight end Julius Thomas, who should be good for 90 catches and 10 or 12 touchdowns.
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Sanders will be a major weapon if he can shake the quad injury that sidelined him against the Niners. (Jed Jacobsohn for SI/The MMQB)

There’s not a lot to be negative about here, except this: age. Manning is 38, Welker 33, Ware 32. Manning is the franchise; this is a 9-7 team—at best—without him. If Ware can’t return to being Ware, Manning will have to score big weekly to ensure another 13-3 season. He may have to do that anyway. He can, but consider that the Broncos put up 37.9 points per game in the regular season, and 19.3 in the playoffs. The games get tougher in January, which makes health all the more important. It’s simply illogical to think that 30-something players will make it through an NFL season unscathed.

“My job,” coach John Fox said, speaking of Ware, “is get him to the season healthy, and keep him healthy by how he practices and how he’s used [in games].”

So the news on the Broncos is all good. But it’s August. It should be good for a team with Manning at quarterback and a general manager who knows you’ve got to load up to win now as long as Manning’s his guy.

Now for the camp report:

One vivid memory from watching practice

J.J. Watt of the Texans abusing the Denver offensive line and chasing Manning in the pocket. I greeted Denver offensive coordinator Adam Gase who a how-you-doing after practice, and he replied: “I was fine—until J.J. Watt destroyed our practice.”

How this team can go 12–4

By the Broncos playing like they did Sunday in Santa Clara against the Niners. Denver went 47 and 80 yards with the first offense on the field (scoring a field goal and touchdown) and held the Niners scoreless, consistently pressuring Colin Kaepernick. If Ware and Miller can be the bookend rushers Denver envisions, this team will win home-field playoff advantage in the AFC for the third straight year. Watching the Broncos, you simply can’t overstate the importance of Ware. He’s been a leader that Miller needs as a pass-rusher and a mentor, and Miller needs Ware’s field presence to ensure he won’t have to fight off constant double-teams or chip blocks.

How this team can go 4–12

Hard to figure any way this happens, unless Manning gets hurt. Denver’s just too deep and explosive on offense, and the addition of Ware and Aqib Talib should keep the defense competitive. Not dominant, but competitive.

Now, from fantasyland …

Manning looks set for another stratospheric season. (Jed Jacobsohn for Sports Illustrated/The MMQB)
Manning looks set for another stratospheric season. (Jed Jacobsohn for Sports Illustrated/The MMQB)

Keep these tips in mind when you draft your team:

1. If Peyton Manning’s on the board when you pick in the first round, take him. He’s going to have another intergalactic year.

2. I’d be very bullish on Sanders, the free-agent wideout Denver signed away from Pittsburgh. But he’s had a nagging quad injury, and every time he tries to practice, it flares up. “I think I’m going to try to get out there tomorrow,” he told me Monday. In the end I’d bet on him. He’s a competitive Texan from a town where football meant everything, and that mentality has seeped into his play. He’s not just a speed merchant.

3. It’s always a good idea to take the kicker on the most explosive team in football—or is it? The Broncos have a great one in Matt Prater, but 17 teams kicked more field goals than Denver’s 25 in 2013. So when Prater’s the second or third kicker picked in your league, you can chortle and happily settle for Adam Vinatieri four rounds later.

Keep up with all our fantasy football coverage, including position-by-position rankings.

The starters

How I project the lineup, with competitive spots in bold:

  OFFENSE   DEFENSE
WR1 Demaryius Thomas LDE Derek Wolfe/Malik Jackson
LT Ryan Clady NT Sylvester Williams
LG Orlando Franklin DT Terrance Knighton
C Manny Ramirez/Will Montgomery RDE DeMarcus Ware
RG Louis Vasquez OLB Von Miller
RT Chris Clark MLB Nate Irving
TE Julius Thomas OLB Danny Trevathan
WR2 Emmanuel Sanders CB Aqib Talib
WR3 Wes Welker CB Chris Harris Jr.
QB Peyton Manning Nickel Kayvon Webster
RB Montee Ball SS T.J. Ward
FB Jacob Tamme * FS Rahim Moore
K Matt Prater P Britton Colquitt
 

The asterisk for Tamme is there because he’ll play far more snaps than a goal-line fullback in the Denver offense—and goal-line and extreme short yardage is probably the only time the Broncos will ever employ a fullback. Look for Manning to use Tamme in the slot much the same way he did with Dallas Clark in Indianapolis … With Sanders nursing his quad injury for much of camp, watch for Andre Caldwell—who has built some great chemistry with Manning despite not starting—to continue to be featured in multiple-receiver sets. Gase and Manning trust him to get open … Chris Harris won’t play much at all till opening day. He’s recovering from a torn ACL suffered in the playoff win over San Diego in January.

Best new player in camp

Talib, a strong physical force at corner, comes in to shore up the secondary. (Jed Jacobsohn for Sports Illustrated/The MMQB)
Talib, a strong physical force at corner, comes in to shore up the secondary. (Jed Jacobsohn for Sports Illustrated/The MMQB)

Cornerback Aqib Talib. This is second straight year in a new camp (he went from the Buccaneers to the Patriots in 2013), and he’s made a seamless transition. Talib told me what’s good for his game is to experience playing against a spread offense in practice every day, after practicing against more standard schemes in Tampa and New England. He gives the Broncos the kind of physical matchup cornerback defensive coordinators want, and he proved last year that he can match up against big players, too. with his shutout of New Orleans tight end Jimmy Graham.

Strong opinion that I may regret by November

Montee Ball’s going to be a monster in this offense. With Knowshon Moreno gone and only changeup speed back Ronnie Hillman pressing for playing time, Ball could put up the number Edgerrin James put up behind Peyton Manning in Indy.

What I thought when I walked out of camp

No holes. Best team in the AFC on opening day, without question.

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68 comments
JeffandElf
JeffandElf

I do love the opinion that everybody seems to have of Peyton Manning, "He is the best regular season quarterback ever, but  because he the team he is on doesn't win the Super Bowl every year, he is horribly overrated and he is a no good quarterback."

BushidoBrownsRevenge
BushidoBrownsRevenge

14-2 with a record setting regular season offense followed by a 10-14 point performance in a playoff loss as usual for peyton.

MadDoser
MadDoser

Instead of trolling and dragging out the "my team's wank is bigger than yours" why cant we just say that this next season will be a good one and we are excited for football to start?

davedsone1
davedsone1

Lol every year since Manning arrived people play "pin the trophy on the Donkeys" for some reason.  It doesn't work.  Manning may be an on field general, but he gets schooled regularly.  Then the NFL "emphasizes" a rule (call it or don't, but lets knock of the emphasis baloney) when he loses.  Happened after the Pats trounced him in 03 and now that Seattle trounced him in 13.  Manning is a stat hurricane regular season but when it comes to the highest level of competition, he's no more than a stiff breeze.

HalfaLoaf
HalfaLoaf

Where is your editor, PK/SI.com?  "You simply can't underestimate" means that one is doomed to overestimate -- in this case, "the importance of Ware".  I am fairly certain you intended the opposite, and the sentence should read "simply can't overstate."

Mike26
Mike26

Talib's a tough player, but I have no respect for a guy that can't keep his mouth shut off and on the field and has so many character issues, going all the way back to college.  Will he actually behave again this season, or will he go driving around with his mama shooting up the nighttime sky in public?

parkerstreet
parkerstreet

The new "enforcement" of the downfield contact rules that have ruined the pre-season games seems to be just what the doctor  ordered to insure another record setting year for Manning and the Broncos. The league seems hell-bent on crowning Manning with another Lombardi Trophy.

sdoc23
sdoc23

Sanders might be a very good WR. But even with Decker leaving I thought they should've said ok we've got Peyton and we've got a star WR and a star TE, lets just go with cheaper options for the other WR's and put the extra cash in to OL, DL or secondary. They are the positions that lost the superbowl and I'm not sure they've addressed them well enough. Talib is often injured and Ware is old. I think this team doesn't play good enough defense to win the superbowl.  

Sportsfan18
Sportsfan18

As long as Peyton's healthy and plays all year, he'll have great numbers.  However, they will not be as good as last season's.  I mean a player only has ONE best season of their career and last season was statistically his best season ever.



Scramble
Scramble

On paper doesn't get you to the super bowl. Did either Ravens super bowl team look like odds on favorites before the season. The AFC North will be represented in the super bowl.

ErnestineGarcia
ErnestineGarcia

Just getting are guys back is huge are free agent pick ups is just icing on the cake Von Miller back is the big chees piece the it factor coaches have to game plane for him & now having Ware on the other side DAM & then there's Two young hungry kids that are making a name for them selfs q.Smith & all.mccary these two are young monsters but having every one hating is good it just means where doing some thing rite look at how they hate 49ers or the Seahawk or greenbay so will take it with a grain of salt on top of we have Brock in the making learning from the best to ever play the game & we have one of the youngest depth rosters meaning even after Peyton the way Brock looks in preseason is going just as planed Elway will make sure this Broncos team has every thing it needs to make sure Osweiler loaded with telent & Roby,Latimer ,Mccary & Q.Smith is a great start not to forget Danny trevathan ,Malik Jackson & Derek Wolfe so to end this all I got to say is see you a the top for years to come

MichelThibault
MichelThibault

$100 says Denver loses their first game to Indy.  Their schedule is going to bring them back down to earth offensively this season.

MichelThibault
MichelThibault

Hey man Denver got their star left tackle back this season...  Of course the Seahawks did all their damage from the opposite side of the line but who's listening?!

MoeLarryAndJesus
MoeLarryAndJesus

Why does Peyton Manning hate his fans enough to feed them Crappa John's horrible "pizza"?


I wouldn't feed that garbage to hyenas.

sportsgirl91
sportsgirl91

Of course Denver is going to be great this year - the NFL just adjusted all their defensive penalties to help out Manning.  Just like in '03 when Indy lost to the Patriots in the AFC championship game and the NFL changed the focus on the 'five yard' bump area on recievers, the NFL's favorite son got his butt kicked in the Superbowl, so of course the NFL had to tweak the rules on defense to make it easier for Peyton.  I always thought it was Irsay that was the whiner, but I guess it was Peyton.


Ju

Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan
Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan

The Denver Broncos may look—on paper, at least—to be the favorites to win Super Bowl XLIX.But such a prediction conveniently overlooks the knock on Peyton Manning:That the “king of the NFL regular season” transforms into something closer to that of a “court jester” in the postseason, where his winning—or perhaps I should say, losing—career record is 11-12.That’s mediocre, at best.I also think that the laws of probability (based on historical guidance) weigh against Peyton having back-to-back “stratospheric season(s).” The real test for Peyton & Co. is the September 21 matchup against the Seahawks—even more than Denver’s November 2 game in Foxboro.That should be the most anticipated game of the 2014 NFL season.Will the physicality and aggressiveness of the “Legion of Boom” once again rattle Peyton’s teeth like a depth charge and disrupt Denver’s crossing routes, screens, and picks?The answer will, I think, go a long way to answering whether Peyton is likely to get his second ring this season.

Corey9
Corey9

Best team on opening day no question?  Did you forget the Patriots play in the AFC and was the most injured team in the NFL last year and only lost by 10 against Denver in Denver in the AFC Championship?  Oh and the Pats beat Denver in the regular season with 8 starters injured.  You're also assuming Talib stays healthy all year, which hasn't happened yet in his career.  Did you forget the Pats picked up the best CB in the NFL?  Did you forget when Gronk was playing last year, the Pats were the best offense in the NFL?  Plus another year with all the new receivers will only improve the passing game even more.  Dont know why everyone thinks Sanders is better or even on the same level as Decker.  Sanders hasnt shown any dominance playing with big Ben in Pittsburgh, so not sure why you think Sanders will make Denver's offense better.  Remember, Mannings arm isnt what it used to be and Sanders is a downfield threat.  Decker is a bigger target with better hands and a better route runner.  He also had a couple years playing with Manning to develop chemistry, which Sanders still needs to do.  IF you think the Broncos are slight favorites to win the AFC, fine!  But "clear cut favorites" is an idiotic statement.  If the Pats win that week 15 game vs the Dolphins, they would've had home field advantage throughout, because we would've owned the tiebreaker vs Denver.  But apparently Peter King thinks the Pats will digress even now that we're healthy.  The Pats have a better defense, a much better coach, a better playoff QB.  The Broncos have a better receiving corps and maybe a slightly better pass rush (if Ware and Miller stay healthy).  Broncos also have to play the NFC West this year.  Pats will go around 14-2, Broncos around 12-4 (give or take one game for both teams). Pats in my opinion are the favorites to win the super bowl...clear cut favorites!! 

Buck2185
Buck2185

@Mike26  So, I take it you have absolutely no respect for the loud mouthed, POS thug Richard Sherman then??...

eddie mac
eddie mac

@sdoc23  T.J. Ward has been 1 of the 3 best safties in football for 2 years and he's 27. Ware had a down year all players do around 30 they have to change some training things and diet but OLD lmao, Von Miller rejoins the d as well he has more sacks then Watt and rushes less... Big upgrade enjoy the season

shawn X.
shawn X.

@Scramble  Then go tell the AFC North that... Bengals maybe. Broncos are legit super bowl contender!!!

pirate
pirate

@ErnestineGarcia  Wow. I'm guessing your keyboard lacks a period and your word processing program has no spell check. And no one ever taught you how to write. That was like the addled rant of someone who has smoked way too much weed.

shawn X.
shawn X.

@MichelThibault  Only $100 you must be cheap... Broncos will favor by 7 or 10 pts on the opening against Indy.

Sportsfan18
Sportsfan18

@sportsgirl91 What happened in 04?  What happened in 05?  What happened in 06?


What rules were changed then due to Peyton?  Here's something for you.  Rules were changed BEFORE Peyton got into the NFL and they'll continue to change them AFTER he retires.


All you're doing is LOOKING for an excuse instead of dealing with reality.


It isn't fun living like that...

shawn X.
shawn X.

@Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan  Trust me Seattle may win that game but it won't be 43-8. I trust the Broncos will be ready to play a hard nose football this time around against the team the throttle them in the Super Bowl. Our defense is way way better then last year for sure!!! Whether Peyton wining a super bowl or not depends on the defense because the offense won't change except Montee Ball will be the work horse instead of Moreno.

ackadamius
ackadamius

@Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan 11-12 may be "mediocre" but just playing in 23 playoff games is pretty amazing.  The only QB currently playing that's on that level is Brady.  And in the past decade Brady's playoff record is 9-8 and Mannings is 8-7, virtually identical.  It really goes to show you how important defense is in the playoffs.  Brady's big playoff successes happened when the Patriots had top 10 (sometimes top 3) defenses.  Both had record setting offenses, went to the Superbowl, and lost.  Not that I'm taking anything away from Brady, he's amazing, but I think it really shows that when competition gets harder (playoffs) that you really need a complete team to win.  Just having a great QB/offense won't cut it most seasons.  

WillWillis1
WillWillis1

@Corey9 Whether or not anyone stays healthy all season is *irrelevant* to the argument of "best team on OPENING DAY."

shawn X.
shawn X.

@Corey9  Hahaha... funny reading your post. It's your opinion of your bias but that's cool. No way Pats will win 14 games? Maybe 12-4 or 11-5. Denver offense over New England offense. Denver defense over Pats defense. Special team pats over Denver.

JubJub
JubJub

@Corey9 This is a horrible post in just about every way.

1. At no point were the Pats the best offense in the league last year -- with or without Gronk.

2. If you think there's a better than 5% chance that Gronk doesn't miss significant playing time this year, you're delusional.  He's one of the most injury-prone players in the league.

3. Sanders is neither an upgrade or downgrade compared to Decker.  I can't think of a single person in Denver who shed a tear when Decker left.  That guy is a pedestrian receiver made better by Manning.  Sanders also is a pedestrian receiver who will be made better by Manning.

4. Welker, Thomas, Decker, and the other Thomas needed zero years to develop "chemistry" with Manning.  Why would Sanders be any different? 

5. The Pats don't have a better defense.  In fact, neither team has a very good defense.  At least the Broncos have a lot of quality players returning from injury -- Wolfe, Ware, Harris, Miller.  The Pats have a bunch of guys.  

6. The Pats don't have a running back. 

7. The Pats aren't the favorites to win the Super Bowl, and neither are the Broncos -- nor should they be.  I say this as a Broncos fan.  The Seahawks, 49ers and possibly Packers are better than them.  


Roscoe18
Roscoe18

@Corey9 Did YOU forget that the Broncos had just as many injured players by the time they got to the AFCCG?  Or that your team had three points midway through the 4th Quarter?  Please, keep the homerism to a minimum.  Be confident about your team but if you want to talk to people who agree with you, go hang out in Greg Bedard's Patriot preview where he kisses your team's collective butts.

spurs0924
spurs0924

@Corey9 Sorry, but the Broncos had the highest scoring offense even when Gronkowski played. When Gronk played the Pats averaged 32 points per game, while the Broncos averaged 37.9 points per game for the season (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2013.htm). Also, what makes you think Gronk will make it through the season without injury?

scott s1
scott s1

@Buck2185 @Mike26 What makes Sherman a POS thug? B/c he speaks his mind?  Has he been busted for drugs, DUI, Domestic Violence, assault, no, no, no, no.
Doesn't sound like a thug to me.

Joe Ledgett
Joe Ledgett

@shawn X. @MichelThibault Denver will be 2-4 at the end of week 7. The 9rs aren't being very impressive in the pre-season, but they'll get their act together in time for Denver. Denver will lose to the Colts, Hawks, Cards, & 9rs.

pvs
pvs

@ackadamius @Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan  "And in the past decade Brady's playoff record is 9-8 and Mannings is 8-7, virtually identical."


That is not an accurate statement. Those are the stats for the past eight seasons, from 2005.


The real numbers are not even close.


Over the past decade,(2002 - 2013) Peyton manning is 8-8, while Brady is 15-8.


It is what it is....I'll take Brady over Peyton in the post season. 

Buck2185
Buck2185

@ackadamius @Ocean_State_Patriots_Fan  Brady sucks. Highly overrated. Most of his passes do not go further than 5 yds downfield in the air (little girl pick and slant offense), he can't throw a long ball downfield, he won't sit in the pockect too long to throw a ball downfield for fear of getting hit, he will dive to the ground prior to even being touched (like diving to the ground one yd shy of a first (so he wouldn't be touched) in a playoff game. All teams have to do is disrupt the patriot pussee alnt/pick, put pressure on little tommy, and they are toast......

Buck2185
Buck2185

@JubJub @Corey9  Patriots suck.....Their decline is already in progress. Bill can't cheat anymore, People have figured out their little girl, slant & pick offense & little Tommy won't stand up in the pocket long enough to throw a ball downfield (which he can't do well anyway). They would be better off getting rid of Belicheat and little Tommy and starting the re-build now - it is where they will be in a year or two anyway.....

drudown
drudown

@shawn X. @drudown @Corey9


Not as much of a joke as the AFC's showing last year. 


As for "Talib" being some "huge difference?" By my count he gets "hurt" and doesn't finish playoff games. What, he didn't "bow out" of the last two?


(cricket, cricket)


I'm a Bolt fan, love the AFC more but come correct. 


What's next…the Pac 12 is "better than the SEC" 


"lol…you funny!!"

pvs
pvs

@Buck2185 @JubJub @Corey9 LOL...heard that statement for years now...but they continue to put up double digit wins for the last ten years. Haters hope the Pats are in decline...but they have a strong organization with a winning attitude. I'm glad the Pats get you upset every time they win...you'll be upset for years to come.

duckfan59
duckfan59

@Buck2185 @scott s1 @Mike26 Yeah, thugs always graduate with honors and near the top of their class at Stanford.

By your reasoning you must be a moron. You talk like one and act like one, so ou must be one.

Buck2185isadouchebag
Buck2185isadouchebag

Great response duckfan59, Buck2185 is your typical internet troll, adds nothing to the dialog just negative comments about people who have made it a lot further in life than he has.

Buck2185
Buck2185

@duckfan59 @Buck2185 @scott s1 @Mike26  Star athletes can graduate college without ever going to class or taking a test. The thug probably reads at 7th grade level while he is shooting off his adderall sucking, loud mouth....

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